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The U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch accident report on the fatal
crash involving a photographer on 9th August 2005 at Husbands Bosworth has now been published. It may be found at http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...65%2002-07.pdf . W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. |
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W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:
The U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch accident report on the fatal crash involving a photographer on 9th August 2005 at Husbands Bosworth has now been published. It may be found at http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...65%2002-07.pdf . W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. My first thought is that competition finishes, as we know them in the UK, will probably have to be altered quite radically. A quote from the report: "[pilots] may have thought that because ultimately they were landing, they were absolved from the obligation to observe Rule 5 whilst they were racing towards the finishing line. However, gliders do not normally approach a glider site at high speed and very low height requiring pop‑up manoeuvres to avoid obstacles outside the airfield boundary. Usually, they land from an approach involving a gradual descent at moderate airspeed, crossing the airfield boundary at a height that does not normally present a risk to spectators or passers-by. Therefore, it is clear that the finishing technique used in this race by many of the competitors did not constitute ‘landing in accordance with normal aviation practice’ (see Rule 5 para (3)(a)(ii )) which automatically exempts pilots from having to observe the ‘500 feet rule’ stipulated in para (2)(b))." The alternative, if such finishes are to be retained, is for an exemption from the UK CAA for each competition, and it seems clear from the report that this would require competition organisers to ensure that spectators could not enter the potential at risk zone, which would be practically impossible at many airfields I know. I'm not a competition pilot, and haven't the nerve to fly a proper competition finish, so wouldn't want to suggest how to change what we currently do. I certainly don't have a view that such finishes are too dangerous to be allowed to continue. However, reading the report is sobering, and suggests to me that we won't be allowed continue as we have been used to. |
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I hope our friends across the pond read the *ahem* dialog the US had here on
RAS the last two springs about competition finishes vs. finish cylinders and other suggestions. Interesting point about the 500' rule. I don't think that came up over here. "Chris Reed" wrote in message news:eqfvo4$3g9$1@qmul... W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote: The U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch accident report on the fatal crash involving a photographer on 9th August 2005 at Husbands Bosworth has now been published. It may be found at http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...65%2002-07.pdf . W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. My first thought is that competition finishes, as we know them in the UK, will probably have to be altered quite radically. A quote from the report: "[pilots] may have thought that because ultimately they were landing, they were absolved from the obligation to observe Rule 5 whilst they were racing towards the finishing line. However, gliders do not normally approach a glider site at high speed and very low height requiring pop-up manoeuvres to avoid obstacles outside the airfield boundary. Usually, they land from an approach involving a gradual descent at moderate airspeed, crossing the airfield boundary at a height that does not normally present a risk to spectators or passers-by. Therefore, it is clear that the finishing technique used in this race by many of the competitors did not constitute 'landing in accordance with normal aviation practice' (see Rule 5 para (3)(a)(ii )) which automatically exempts pilots from having to observe the '500 feet rule' stipulated in para (2)(b))." The alternative, if such finishes are to be retained, is for an exemption from the UK CAA for each competition, and it seems clear from the report that this would require competition organisers to ensure that spectators could not enter the potential at risk zone, which would be practically impossible at many airfields I know. I'm not a competition pilot, and haven't the nerve to fly a proper competition finish, so wouldn't want to suggest how to change what we currently do. I certainly don't have a view that such finishes are too dangerous to be allowed to continue. However, reading the report is sobering, and suggests to me that we won't be allowed continue as we have been used to. |
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Although I fly SC, I'm not a competition pilot, and I won't even
attend my first competition until this spring. So please make allowances for my ignorance. That said, things about this accident don't make sense: 1. Why were the spectators and cars on the opposite side of the hedge from where the planes were coming? If you want to be seen and avoided, wouldn't it be much better to be in front of the hedge? 2. Why were the planes allowed to fly so low (30 feet) at least 1,000 meters from the airport? I've spent a lot of time in rural England, and I know that there are a lot of hikers in the country. Were there signs posted to warn any poor hikers about fast, quite, low flying aircraft? 3. Why, in this day of GPS, didn't the organizers simply use a 500 or a 1,000 foot finish? It eliminates problems of misjudging your energy, although admittedly it isn't as exciting for people hanging around the airfield. As a group, we worry about someday an airliner hitting a glider and what that would do to the sport. Why is killing a spectator (or worse, a hiker) on the ground any different? -John |
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The answer to question 1. is that the road/track where the cars were parked
is on the west side of the hedge and easily accessible, on the east side from where the gliders were finishing is just a field. This is clearly shown in the photo at the top of page 59 (4th page of the report). Part of the answer to question 3. is that the rules for a world competition are FAI rules, on page 69 (14th page of the report) the report points out that the rules for an IGC sanctioned competition are not the BGA's Competition Rules. This is why the third Safety Recommendation 2006-121 by the AAIB is addressed to the IGC. So your question is addressed to the IGC, not the BGA in this instance. W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. "jcarlyle" wrote in message oups.com... Although I fly SC, I'm not a competition pilot, and I won't even attend my first competition until this spring. So please make allowances for my ignorance. That said, things about this accident don't make sense: 1. Why were the spectators and cars on the opposite side of the hedge from where the planes were coming? If you want to be seen and avoided, wouldn't it be much better to be in front of the hedge? 2. Why were the planes allowed to fly so low (30 feet) at least 1,000 meters from the airport? I've spent a lot of time in rural England, and I know that there are a lot of hikers in the country. Were there signs posted to warn any poor hikers about fast, quite, low flying aircraft? 3. Why, in this day of GPS, didn't the organizers simply use a 500 or a 1,000 foot finish? It eliminates problems of misjudging your energy, although admittedly it isn't as exciting for people hanging around the airfield. As a group, we worry about someday an airliner hitting a glider and what that would do to the sport. Why is killing a spectator (or worse, a hiker) on the ground any different? -John |
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I'll concede that the cars would park on the access road, not in the
field. Now can you explain why anyone in their right mind would stand on top of a slippery car, mostly hidden behind a hedge (see Figure 1 of the report), and play peek-a-boo with quiet, high speed aircraft when they could simply walk through openings in the hedge which are clearly right there (see Figure 2 of the report) so they could (a) be seen by the pilots (b) could see the plane and drop to the ground if necessary, and (c) get some inherent protection by the self- preservation instinct of the pilot wanting to miss the hedge? -John On Feb 8, 5:14 pm, "W.J. \(Bill\) Dean \(U.K.\)." wrote: The answer to question 1. is that the road/track where the cars were parked is on the west side of the hedge and easily accessible, on the east side from where the gliders were finishing is just a field. This is clearly shown in the photo at the top of page 59 (4th page of the report). Part of the answer to question 3. is that the rules for a world competition are FAI rules, on page 69 (14th page of the report) the report points out that the rules for an IGC sanctioned competition are not the BGA's Competition Rules. This is why the third Safety Recommendation 2006-121 by the AAIB is addressed to the IGC. So your question is addressed to the IGC, not the BGA in this instance. |
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jcarlyle wrote:
Now can you explain why anyone in their right mind would stand on top of a slippery car, mostly hidden behind a hedge (see Figure 1 of the report), and play peek-a-boo with quiet, high speed aircraft when they could simply walk through openings in the hedge which are clearly right there (see Figure 2 of the report) so they could (a) be seen by the pilots (b) could see the plane and drop to the ground if necessary, and (c) get some inherent protection by the self- preservation instinct of the pilot wanting to miss the hedge? Uh, maybe because that particular person wanted to get yet another spectacular photograph, and the pilot was trying to help and/or give him a bit of a scare? Marc |
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![]() "W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.)." wrote in message ... The U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch accident report on the fatal crash involving a photographer on 9th August 2005 at Husbands Bosworth has now been published. It may be found at http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...65%2002-07.pdf . W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. I used to instruct at Husbands Bosworth thirty years ago. We hosted the British Nationals one year and the CFI asked me to take all the competitors up in a two seater to show them the site from the air and point out local hazards etc. Naturally I let these pundits do the flying, and for quite a few their circuit procedure was so sloppy, and their airmanship so bad, that I grounded them until they had taken a further check ride with our CFI. I'm afraid that the HB accident merely goes to show that not a lot has improved in thirty years. I am appalled that the organisers of a competition were prepared to tolerate the really dreadful flying that was going on. 'Popping up' would have got you grounded in my time if anyone had seen you doing it. I know the planes are better these days, but I doubt the pilots are. There is no reason why the finish line cannot be between 250 and 500 feet. It does not need to be on the ground. Alistair Wright UK Silver C 4759 |
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On Feb 8, 9:45 am, "W.J. \(Bill\) Dean \(U.K.\)."
wrote: The U.K. Air Accidents Investigation Branch accident report on the fatal crash involving a photographer on 9th August 2005 at Husbands Bosworth has now been published. It may be found athttp://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources/LS1F%20Glider,%20BGA4665%2002-07.... W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). Remove "ic" to reply. This is a well written, very thoughtful report. Well done. Not to revive a flame war, but the solution is obvious. The race finishes at 500 feet, followed by pattern and landing. Pro: This won't happen again. Plus fewer crashes 1 mile out, in the fence, or low energy problems at the airport. Con: Less fun. John Cochrane BB PS: I love the part about being really low for safety, so you can see the wires and then pop over them better. Yeager would be proud. |
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John Cochrane wrote:
This is a well written, very thoughtful report. Well done. I agree with John. I also agree one solution is the 500' finish rule he's advocated. I don't agree it's the only solution or necessarily the best solution, but we've thrashed out that subject at length already so there's no need to again. I'll simply observe that part of the reason many of us fly contests is for fun and that the best way to eliminate the risks of flying is never to launch. What struck me about the report was that nearly all of the parties who might have contributed to this accident--the pilot, the organizers, and the photographer himself--could and should have taken steps to have avoided it. My impression is that had the rules in effect at the time been adhered to and enforced (whether those were CAA regulations or the contest rules or just general safe flying practices and common sense), this accident wouldn't have happened. I've never flown in the U.K. but I've seen comparable situations at many U.S. contests owing to (1) pilots emulating their fellow pilots (for all of our much-touted individualistic personalities, we can be like a bunch of sheep at times); and (2) the sense that because it's a contest, the normal rules for safe flying are suspended. These are serious problems, but they're problems of attitude. And the solution to them is not necessarily a new rule addressing one, albeit potentially dangerous, situation. The analogy is a little weak but as one example, we in the U.S. had a tragedy at a national contest a few years ago launching a water ballasted glider too close to bystanders. The solution to this dangerous practice was not to eliminate water ballast but to insist that all bystanders remain behind the launch line. It's certainly possible that a random hiker could be mowed down by a low-finishing glider but it's also possible that any of us could do the same thing landing out in a farmer's field somewhere. Should we, then, eliminate all practices that might lead to outlandings? Like most aviation accidents, there appears to be no single cause here, but rather a series of questionable decisions and actions that cascaded and culminated in loss of life. Without trying to fix blame, it seems to me that at any point any of the parties could have acted to comply with the aforesaid rules/practices, broken the "chain," and unilaterally prevented this tragedy. And now that I've offended almost all involved, I apologize for drawing conclusions about an accident I have no knowledge of apart from a report I had absolutely no role in preparing. Chip Bearden ASW 24 "JB" |
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