Do I have to file?

If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have to
file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a (local)
ifr?


thanks


Steve

If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have to
file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a (local)
ifr?

I'm not sure I understand the question. To legally fly under IFR in
controlled airspace (which you will be in), you need an IFR clearance,
which means filing an IFR flight plan. You can do that beforehand ("the
usual way"), or you can depart VFR (weather permitting) and then try to
get a popup clearance. Getting a popup generally involves filing a
flight plan in the air. It can be done through approach if they are not
busy, but they may tell you to contact flight service (on the radio) and
file it there, and then wait until approach gets it.

If you have plenty of VFR weather while you're doing this, there's
usually not a problem. But if the weather is closing in and approach is
busy, you are taking a risk that they can't take you in. Then you're stuck.

If you already know this and are just asking the likelihood of getting
stuck on this particular route, then I don't know the answer.

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A local IFR flight plan _is_ an IFR flight plan. Call the TRACON if you want to
know if that type of request will be granted. IIRC it would have to involve
only handoff(s) between TRACONs and not involve Center.

On 5/28/2007 10:34 PM, smf wrote the following:
If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have to
file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a (local)
ifr?


thanks


Steve

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Mitty wrote:
A local IFR flight plan _is_ an IFR flight plan. Call the TRACON if you want to
know if that type of request will be granted. IIRC it would have to involve
only handoff(s) between TRACONs and not involve Center.

Wouldn't this be the same as Tower En Route (TEC)?

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Mitty wrote:
A local IFR flight plan _is_ an IFR flight plan. Call the TRACON if you want to
know if that type of request will be granted. IIRC it would have to involve
only handoff(s) between TRACONs and not involve Center.

Wouldn't this be the same as Tower En Route (TEC)?


No TEC in Florida.

California is the only place where TEC has any meaning with respect
to how flight plans get filed. In the NE (the only other place with
an official TEC program) it's little more than preferred routes that
keep you out of center airspace.

Ron Natalie wrote:



No TEC in Florida.

California is the only place where TEC has any meaning with respect
to how flight plans get filed. In the NE (the only other place with
an official TEC program) it's little more than preferred routes that
keep you out of center airspace.

Ron,
Here in the Northeast, if you don't file the TEC, you are probably going
to get it anyway, at least around the NYC area. For example, going from
Providence to BWI, I've got a choice of 6000' on V16, or if I want
higher I either get there via MANTA, which is some 60 miles offshore or
I get stuck with going north to Barnes (BAF) then V292 to SAGES to Lake
Henry (LHY) to get the long way around. If I want to go through NYC,
then my only choice is V16 at 6000'. Period. And that is regardless of
what I might file.

so my question is, if going further south, can you somehow file for 6K
through the JFK VOR and then get higher? Every year I travel from
EWB to Florida, and have chosen the MANTA routing at 14K.

Here in the Northeast, if you don't file the TEC, you are probably going
to get it anyway, at least around the NYC area. For example, going from
Providence to BWI, I've got a choice of 6000' on V16, or if I want
higher I either get there via MANTA, which is some 60 miles offshore or
I get stuck with going north to Barnes (BAF) then V292 to SAGES to Lake
Henry (LHY) to get the long way around. If I want to go through NYC,
then my only choice is V16 at 6000'. Period. And that is regardless of
what I might file.

Mitty wrote:

A local IFR flight plan _is_ an IFR flight plan. Call the TRACON if you
want to know if that type of request will be granted. IIRC it would
have to involve only handoff(s) between TRACONs and not involve Center.

IFR is IFR. If a center is involved the TRACON will take care of it.

On May 28, 8:34 pm, "smf" wrote:
If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have to
file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a (local)
ifr?

thanks

Steve

I think he's asking about local availability of IFR. I'm not familiar
with your area but in the Los Angeles are the answer is *NO*. If you
are not IFR when you take off there is little chance you're going to
get an IFR while airborne (even prefiled). Generally if you need to
pick up an IFR clearance in the LA area they ask you to land to pick
up the clearance.

-Robert, CFII

This is nuts.

There should be no reason a properly filed IFR plan cannot be
initiated airborne, if it starts at a VOR or intersection , for
example.



On 29 May 2007 16:11:29 -0700, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

On May 28, 8:34 pm, "smf" wrote:
If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have to
file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a (local)
ifr?

thanks

Steve

I think he's asking about local availability of IFR. I'm not familiar
with your area but in the Los Angeles are the answer is *NO*. If you
are not IFR when you take off there is little chance you're going to
get an IFR while airborne (even prefiled). Generally if you need to
pick up an IFR clearance in the LA area they ask you to land to pick
up the clearance.

-Robert, CFII