Hey! That's Dan Ford on the radio!

Anyone else hear our own Dan Ford talking about the Flying Tigers on XM
Public Radio's Bob Edwards Show this morning? Very nice, long interview with
Dan about the AVG.


--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:38:09 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote in
:

Anyone else hear our own Dan Ford talking about the Flying Tigers on XM
Public Radio's Bob Edwards Show this morning? Very nice, long interview with
Dan about the AVG.

Apparently the show is available for download he
http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/eLo...seBVCookie=Yes

Larry Dighera wrote:
On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:38:09 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote in
:

Anyone else hear our own Dan Ford talking about the Flying Tigers on
XM Public Radio's Bob Edwards Show this morning? Very nice, long
interview with Dan about the AVG.

Apparently the show is available for download he
http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/eLo...seBVCookie=Yes

The show will rebroadcast at 8pm EDT tonnight.

In a previous article, "Dan Luke" said:
Anyone else hear our own Dan Ford talking about the Flying Tigers on XM
Public Radio's Bob Edwards Show this morning? Very nice, long interview with
Dan about the AVG.

So, did Erik Schilling phone in to tell him all the mistakes he made in
his books?


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-- Abigail

"Paul Tomblin" wrote:

Anyone else hear our own Dan Ford talking about the Flying Tigers on XM
Public Radio's Bob Edwards Show this morning? Very nice, long interview
with
Dan about the AVG.

So, did Erik Schilling phone in to tell him all the mistakes he made in
his books?

It wasn't a call-in show.

Perhaps you could list them for us.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

In a previous article, "Dan Luke" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote:
Anyone else hear our own Dan Ford talking about the Flying Tigers on XM
Public Radio's Bob Edwards Show this morning? Very nice, long interview
with
Dan about the AVG.

So, did Erik Schilling phone in to tell him all the mistakes he made in
his books?

It wasn't a call-in show.

Perhaps you could list them for us.

Erik and Dan had some epic flame wars on rec.aviation.military after his
first book on the Flying Tigers. He says that in this book, he actually
corrected some of the mistakes Erik pointed out.

Most of the flames were about:
a) Dan and Erik disagreed about what type of P-40 Erik flew, specifically
about whether the self-sealing material was on the outside or inside the
gas tanks. I believe Dan has agreed that Erik was correct on that issue
now.

b) Dan claimed that Flying Tigers pilots bought kills off of British
pilots so that they could collect the AVG kill bonus. And overclaimed
like crazy. He justified that by citing a lack of Japanese records, in
spite of the fact that the Japanese burned their records by the truckload
as they retreated. He also made a big deal about the lack of wreckage, in
spite of the fact that much of the combat was over a mostly trackless
jungle where wrecks are still turning up now. I'm not sure if Dan has
modified his claims in his new book.


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
Either way, it'll remind the clued that there's only one letter
difference between 'turkey' and 'turnkey'.
-- Mike Andrews

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:09:13 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

a) Dan and Erik disagreed about what type of P-40 Erik flew, specifically
about whether the self-sealing material was on the outside or inside the
gas tanks. I believe Dan has agreed that Erik was correct on that issue
now.

Correct.

b) Dan claimed that Flying Tigers pilots bought kills off of British
pilots so that they could collect the AVG kill bonus.

Nonsense. Indeed, the book specifically refutes that story.

And overclaimed
like crazy. He justified that by citing a lack of Japanese records, in
spite of the fact that the Japanese burned their records by the truckload
as they retreated. He also made a big deal about the lack of wreckage, in
spite of the fact that much of the combat was over a mostly trackless
jungle where wrecks are still turning up now. I'm not sure if Dan has
modified his claims in his new book.

They didn't overclaim like crazy--they overclaimed like the US Marines
at Guadalcanal or the Royal Air Force in the Battle of Burma, by a
factor of 2.5 to 1. That level of overclaiming was just about
universal in World War II.

I did uncover some additional information, including the names of some
Japanese pilots lost over Burma, and the exact number of planes
destroyed by Jernstedt and Reed in their amazing strafe of Moulmein,
but the total number (110-120 Japanese planes destroyed) remains the
same.

Erik, by the way, helped a great deal in sorting out the oddities of
the AVG P-40s, and he is duly thanked in the preface to the new
edition. We got on pretty well after we took the discussion offline.
See for example www.warbirdforum.com/manual.htm for his running
commentary on the RAF pilot's manual.





Blue skies! -- Dan Ford

Claire Chennault and His American Volunteers, 1941-1942
new from HarperCollins www.FlyingTigersBook.com

"Cubdriver" wrote:

I did uncover some additional information, including the names of some
Japanese pilots lost over Burma, and the exact number of planes
destroyed by Jernstedt and Reed in their amazing strafe of Moulmein,
but the total number (110-120 Japanese planes destroyed) remains the
same.

Your book's up next on my reading table; I'm really looking forward to it.

So what was Bob Edwards like? Tell us about the interview!

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM