TO THE GROUP.... Wherever you are

IS IT JUST ME...

Am I the only one that remembered that yesterday was a day that was
supposed to have a special significance.

A day that would live in infimy.

Considering this group is dominated by Yanks from Yankyville, I would
have thought that one of them would have posted a picture of a Zero,
or a Zeke, or a Betty.... whether it was a bouncing Betty or not.

Where was one of those postings of Ford island in all its glory.

P-40s and PBYs burning on the ground.

Ships sinking in the harbour.

The Arizona at it's finest.

Just the other month I posted a message about some anniversary to do
with the mighty spitfire.

Do you think that even one person posted a shot of a spit.

You know they didn't.

And that wasn't the first time I noticed special days seem to go by
with nary a nod of recognition or a posting or rememberance.

So why was I not surprised when yesterday.... the day that was supposed
to live in infimay received not even a posting of recollection from the
main and only group on the web that is devoted to the posting of
pictures of airplanes from different historical periods.

Now I'm not chastising or trying to act snooty.

I'm only pointing out that a very special day in history just slipped by
without so much as a note of acknowledgement let alone a single picture.

Now if it's any consolation or even slight interest to the group,
on that same day CANADA declared war on Finland, Hungary, and Romania.

Only in Canada.. Eh!!!!!

"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
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IS IT JUST ME...

Am I the only one that remembered that yesterday was a day that was
supposed to have a special significance.

A day that would live in infimy.


There were many posts in a.b.p.military. I'm sure there were many more
in the political groups, but I don't go there.

The attack on Pearl harbor, while significant in reagards to History,
politics, world events and the military, was not a particularly important
day to the world of aviation.


Luke

"Luke" wrote in message
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"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
...
IS IT JUST ME...

Am I the only one that remembered that yesterday was a day that was
supposed to have a special significance.

A day that would live in infimy.


There were many posts in a.b.p.military. I'm sure there were many more
in the political groups, but I don't go there.

The attack on Pearl harbor, while significant in reagards to History,
politics, world events and the military, was not a particularly important
day to the world of aviation.


Luke



Hmmmm! Wasn't the entire raid on Pearl carried out by aviation? Why do you
say that it wasn't particularly important to the world of aviation?

"Jim" jaahrens NOSPAM at yahoo dot com wrote in message
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"Luke" wrote in message
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"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
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IS IT JUST ME...

Am I the only one that remembered that yesterday was a day that was
supposed to have a special significance.

A day that would live in infimy.


There were many posts in a.b.p.military. I'm sure there were many
more in the political groups, but I don't go there.

The attack on Pearl harbor, while significant in reagards to History,
politics, world events and the military, was not a particularly important
day to the world of aviation.


Luke



Hmmmm! Wasn't the entire raid on Pearl carried out by aviation? Why do
you say that it wasn't particularly important to the world of aviation?


Was it the first of any sort of flight? The longest? Were any new
technological barriers broken, aces crowned, meritorious valor on the part
of any pilot? Were any records broken, or new trends in aviation started?
The answer to all these questions is 'no'.

Suggesting that Pearl harbor day might be a special day for aviation
because "the entire raid on Pearl (was) carried out by aviation" is like
suggesting that the assasination of JFK is a special day for gun
enthusiasts....


Luke

"Luke" wrote in message
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"Jim" jaahrens NOSPAM at yahoo dot com wrote in message
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"Luke" wrote in message
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"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
...
IS IT JUST ME...

Am I the only one that remembered that yesterday was a day that was
supposed to have a special significance.

A day that would live in infimy.


There were many posts in a.b.p.military. I'm sure there were many
more in the political groups, but I don't go there.

The attack on Pearl harbor, while significant in reagards to History,
politics, world events and the military, was not a particularly
important day to the world of aviation.


Luke



Hmmmm! Wasn't the entire raid on Pearl carried out by aviation? Why do
you say that it wasn't particularly important to the world of aviation?


Was it the first of any sort of flight? The longest? Were any new
technological barriers broken, aces crowned, meritorious valor on the part
of any pilot? Were any records broken, or new trends in aviation started?
The answer to all these questions is 'no'.

It was the first time carrier based aircraft made a significant and
successful attack on a complete naval (and air) fleet (albeit in harbour).
It marked the beginning of the end for the battleship, in favour of the
carrier. I'd day that was a significant "first".


Suggesting that Pearl harbor day might be a special day for aviation
because "the entire raid on Pearl (was) carried out by aviation" is like
suggesting that the assasination of JFK is a special day for gun
enthusiasts....

Except that JFK was not the first (and certainly not the last) political
figure to die from a bullit. Pearl was significant, because next to the
"firsts" above, it lead directly to other significant "firsts", culminating
in the first (and so far only) two air drops of A-bombs.

Ron
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Non urinat in ventum

It was the first time carrier based aircraft made a significant and
successful attack on a complete naval (and air) fleet (albeit in harbour).
It marked the beginning of the end for the battleship, in favour of the
carrier. I'd day that was a significant "first".



Except the British attack at Taranto on November 1940

"Ron" wrote in message
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Was it the first of any sort of flight? The longest? Were any new
technological barriers broken, aces crowned, meritorious valor on the
part of any pilot? Were any records broken, or new trends in aviation
started? The answer to all these questions is 'no'.

It was the first time carrier based aircraft made a significant and
successful attack on a complete naval (and air) fleet (albeit in harbour).
It marked the beginning of the end for the battleship, in favour of the
carrier. I'd day that was a significant "first".

Nope. Not the first. From wiki (so I don't have to type so much) :
"The naval Battle of Taranto took place on the night of 11 November - 12
November 1940 during World War II. The Royal Navy launched the first
all-aircraft naval attack in history, flying a small number of aircraft from
an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean Sea and attacking the Italian fleet
at harbour in Taranto. The effect of the British aircraft on the Italian
warships led pundits around the world to predict the end of the "big gun"
ship and the rise of naval air-power.
The Italian fleet had suffered heavily, and the next day Regia Marina
transferred its undamaged ships from Taranto to naval bases farther north to
protect them from similar attacks. Repairs to Littorio took about four
months and to Caio Duilio six, but Conte di Cavour required extensive
salvage work and its repairs were incomplete when Italy left the war in
1943. The Italian battleship fleet lost half its strength in one night. The
"fleet-in-being" diminished in importance and the Royal Navy increased its
control of the Mediterranean."


I would argue that WWII as a whole was the turning point from battle
ship warfare to air carrier warfare, not just the attack at Pearl harbor.
How you define "significant and successful attack" is a matter for you alone
to place in your own personal set of benchmarks. The Japanese may have
stepped things up a notch, or had some percieved increase of success in
their actions on 12-7-41, but it wasn't because of any great achievement in
aviation. Sadly, their success was due mostly to the fact that the US
forces were asleep at the wheel, confident that the Japanese wouldn't
attack. If anything, Pearl Harbor day is a red letter day in American
screw-ups in underestimating the enemy.


Luke

Here you go Shiver! I'm a Helicopter Guy too.
Ron Snipes
New Bern, NC



"Jim" jaahrens NOSPAM at yahoo dot com wrote in message
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"Luke" wrote in message
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"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
...
IS IT JUST ME...

Am I the only one that remembered that yesterday was a day that was
supposed to have a special significance.

A day that would live in infimy.


There were many posts in a.b.p.military. I'm sure there were many
more
in the political groups, but I don't go there.

The attack on Pearl harbor, while significant in reagards to History,
politics, world events and the military, was not a particularly
important
day to the world of aviation.


Luke



Hmmmm! Wasn't the entire raid on Pearl carried out by aviation? Why do
you
say that it wasn't particularly important to the world of aviation?












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"Ron Snipes" wrote in message
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Here you go Shiver! I'm a Helicopter Guy too.
Ron Snipes
New Bern, NC

Be careful admitting you're a helicopter guy, people look at you funny when
you do.

Rob
(SH-2F's, SH-3H's, SH-60F, SH-60B)

"Jim" jaahrens NOSPAM at yahoo dot com wrote in message
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"Luke" wrote in message
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"SHIVER ME TIMBERS" wrote in message
...
IS IT JUST ME...

Am I the only one that remembered that yesterday was a day that was
supposed to have a special significance.

A day that would live in infimy.


There were many posts in a.b.p.military. I'm sure there were many
more
in the political groups, but I don't go there.

The attack on Pearl harbor, while significant in reagards to History,
politics, world events and the military, was not a particularly
important
day to the world of aviation.


Luke



Hmmmm! Wasn't the entire raid on Pearl carried out by aviation? Why do
you
say that it wasn't particularly important to the world of aviation?














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