Close Encounters Of The Third Kind

Where'd the planes come from that were shown at the beginning of the
movie? Where are they now?

And for a question not based on reality, why wasn't the desert winds
blowing them around? The aliens didn't leave them tied down or chocked.

Where'd the planes come from that were shown at the beginning of the
movie? Where are they now?

And for a question not based on reality, why wasn't the desert winds
blowing them around? The aliens didn't leave them tied down or chocked.

Those were Navy TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that were supposed to represent the
famous lost squadron of 5 TBMs that crashed in 1945 in the supposed Bermuda
Triangle. The popular misconception is that the aircraft flew into some kind
of "disturbance" and disappeared. The reality is that the flight leader became
lost and disoriented and the aircraft ran out of gas at night in a storm.

TBMs were used for many years as firebombers in the west and for certain kindes
of crop spraying as well. Many now survive as warbirds and museum pieces.

TBMs easily weigh 10,000 pounds empty and more than 17,000 full so it would
take pretty hefty wind to blow them around.

John Dupre'

Hi John,

I actually meant along the lines of who provided them for the movie,
as in Planes of Fame provided for the Pearl Harbor movie. Thanks! Mark

JDupre5762 wrote:

Where'd the planes come from that were shown at the beginning of the
movie? Where are they now?

And for a question not based on reality, why wasn't the desert winds
blowing them around? The aliens didn't leave them tied down or chocked.



Those were Navy TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that were supposed to represent the
famous lost squadron of 5 TBMs that crashed in 1945 in the supposed Bermuda
Triangle. The popular misconception is that the aircraft flew into some kind
of "disturbance" and disappeared. The reality is that the flight leader became
lost and disoriented and the aircraft ran out of gas at night in a storm.

TBMs were used for many years as firebombers in the west and for certain kindes
of crop spraying as well. Many now survive as warbirds and museum pieces.

TBMs easily weigh 10,000 pounds empty and more than 17,000 full so it would
take pretty hefty wind to blow them around.

John Dupre'

#82, the one that was started in the movie came from the CAF. It is IIRC now
with a CAF wing in Colorado.
Matt Gunsch,
A&P,IA,Private Pilot
Riding member of the
2003 world champion drill team
Arizona Precision Motorcycle Drill Team
GWRRA,NRA,GOA

(JDupre5762) wrote in message ...
Where'd the planes come from that were shown at the beginning of the
movie? Where are they now?

And for a question not based on reality, why wasn't the desert winds
blowing them around? The aliens didn't leave them tied down or chocked.

Those were Navy TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that were supposed to represent the
famous lost squadron of 5 TBMs that crashed in 1945 in the supposed Bermuda
Triangle. The popular misconception is that the aircraft flew into some kind
of "disturbance" and disappeared. The reality is that the flight leader became
lost and disoriented and the aircraft ran out of gas at night in a storm.


The lost squadron was "Flight 19" and the circumstances surrounding
their disappearance has never been explained despite the above "simple
explanation". None of the aircraft nor any sign of survival gear have
ever been found. The flight leader didn't just get lost, the entire
flight lost all bearing on where they were and could not establish a
way back to base. The sky was reported as distorted, not making sense
as well as time being lost.
The above posts claims they crashed in the Triangle but they have
never been found. Some excitement was caused years back when other TBM
aircraft were discovered in the area but they were NOT Flight 19.
For more information read the book "The Disappearance of Flight 19"
(1980) by Larry Kusche (ISBN: 0060124776).
Best place to get it from: www.bookfinder.com

Rob

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Where'd the planes come from that were shown at the beginning of the
movie? Where are they now?

And for a question not based on reality, why wasn't the desert winds
blowing them around? The aliens didn't leave them tied down or
chocked.

Those were Navy TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that were supposed to
represent the
famous lost squadron of 5 TBMs that crashed in 1945 in the supposed
Bermuda
Triangle. The popular misconception is that the aircraft flew into some
kind
of "disturbance" and disappeared. The reality is that the flight leader
became
lost and disoriented and the aircraft ran out of gas at night in a
storm.


The lost squadron was "Flight 19" and the circumstances surrounding
their disappearance has never been explained despite the above "simple
explanation". None of the aircraft nor any sign of survival gear have
ever been found.

Right, because its hard to find a bunch of relatively small aircraft in a
large area of ocean after the fact.

The flight leader didn't just get lost, the entire
flight lost all bearing on where they were and could not establish a
way back to base.

It was a training flight. Only the flight leader had any real navigation
experience, and the other pilots relied on his direction. If he screwed up
they were screwed.

The sky was reported as distorted, not making sense
as well as time being lost.

No, books written 3 decades later made that claim.

tim gueguen 101867

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(JDupre5762) wrote in message
...
Where'd the planes come from that were shown at the beginning of the
movie? Where are they now?

And for a question not based on reality, why wasn't the desert winds
blowing them around? The aliens didn't leave them tied down or
chocked.

Those were Navy TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that were supposed to
represent the
famous lost squadron of 5 TBMs that crashed in 1945 in the supposed
Bermuda
Triangle. The popular misconception is that the aircraft flew into some
kind
of "disturbance" and disappeared. The reality is that the flight leader
became
lost and disoriented and the aircraft ran out of gas at night in a
storm.


The lost squadron was "Flight 19" and the circumstances surrounding
their disappearance has never been explained despite the above "simple
explanation". None of the aircraft nor any sign of survival gear have
ever been found.

Right, because its hard to find a bunch of relatively small aircraft in a
large area of ocean after the fact.

But usually something like wreckage, debris, or floating bodies are
found then or later. They NEVER found ANYTHING.

The flight leader didn't just get lost, the entire
flight lost all bearing on where they were and could not establish a
way back to base.

It was a training flight. Only the flight leader had any real navigation
experience, and the other pilots relied on his direction. If he screwed up
they were screwed.

Not so as the leader was advised that turning west would be best. From
his correct position in the north (he believed he was heading south)
turning west would have taken the flight back over land. But the
conditions stated below caused him to think otherwise so he declined
and either headed straight north into the Atlantic or south into the
Gulf of Mexico.

The sky was reported as distorted, not making sense
as well as time being lost.

No, books written 3 decades later made that claim.

Because those remarks were omitted from the "official" report. The
flight leader could not determine position because they sky suddenly
appeared to be blended and there was (at least in the mind of the
flight leader) a loss of time.

tim gueguen 101867

I don't in any way suggest alien abduction, nor necessarily the
oft-claimed effects of the Triangle. But I do believe something other
than "he simply got lost" is to blame. You can't use the big ocean
excuse for not finding the planes. Deep See found a bunch of TBMs that
they thought were Flight 19- turns out they weren't. If they sunk,
they eventually will be found. If they disappeared, that's another
story. And what about the other missing search plane too? Just
coincidence?

Rob

And what about the other missing search plane too? Just
coincidence?


The search plane took off out of the Banana River NAS and blew up shortly
afterward. Martin PBM Mariners were famous for leaking gas into the fuselage
and blowing up as a result. Again there was no mystery to the Navy over the
loss of the PBM which was seen to crash by a number of vessels at sea at the
time. The popular books distort the timeline and make it seem that the PBM
disappeared at the same time as Flight 19 was declaring itself lost. In fact
the PBM was dispatched hours later to begin searching for Flight 19 when it
was clear they would end up ditching.

John Dupre'

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Where'd the planes come from that were shown at the beginning of the
movie? Where are they now?

And for a question not based on reality, why wasn't the desert
winds blowing them around? The aliens didn't leave them tied down
or chocked.

Those were Navy TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that were supposed to
represent the famous lost squadron of 5 TBMs that crashed in 1945 in
the supposed Bermuda Triangle. The popular misconception is that
the aircraft flew into some kind of "disturbance" and disappeared.
The reality is that the flight leader became lost and disoriented
and the aircraft ran out of gas at night in a storm.


The lost squadron was "Flight 19" and the circumstances surrounding
their disappearance has never been explained despite the above "simple
explanation". None of the aircraft nor any sign of survival gear have
ever been found.

Right, because its hard to find a bunch of relatively small aircraft in a
large area of ocean after the fact.

But usually something like wreckage, debris, or floating bodies are
found then or later. They NEVER found ANYTHING.

The flight leader didn't just get lost, the entire
flight lost all bearing on where they were and could not establish a
way back to base.

It was a training flight. Only the flight leader had any real
navigation experience, and the other pilots relied on his direction. If
he screwed up they were screwed.

Not so as the leader was advised that turning west would be best. From
his correct position in the north (he believed he was heading south)
turning west would have taken the flight back over land. But the
conditions stated below caused him to think otherwise so he declined
and either headed straight north into the Atlantic or south into the
Gulf of Mexico.

The sky was reported as distorted, not making sense
as well as time being lost.

No, books written 3 decades later made that claim.

Because those remarks were omitted from the "official" report. The
flight leader could not determine position because they sky suddenly
appeared to be blended and there was (at least in the mind of the
flight leader) a loss of time.

I don't in any way suggest alien abduction, nor necessarily the
oft-claimed effects of the Triangle. But I do believe something other
than "he simply got lost" is to blame. You can't use the big ocean
excuse for not finding the planes. Deep See found a bunch of TBMs that
they thought were Flight 19- turns out they weren't. If they sunk,
they eventually will be found. If they disappeared, that's another
story. And what about the other missing search plane too? Just
coincidence?

The History Channel ran one of their "History's Mysteries" specials on
Flight 19 a few years ago. Their guy had the theory that they may have
been blown farther north than they knew, and ended up coming down in the
Okefenokee Swamp. Once there, they'd have sunk into the bog and never
been seen again. Eventually, the acidic water would have eaten the
planes and the pilots' bodies away. (Either that or one of the
semi-frequent forest fires would have burned the wreckage away. Hey, I'm
not making this up...)

Of course, there's no way to really test this theory unless someone
should happen to survey the Okefenokee with ground-penetrating radar.

-Marc

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(robert arndt) wrote:

The sky was reported as distorted, not making sense
as well as time being lost.

snort Riiiight!!
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-Gord.