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Old October 16th 08, 01:51 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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Old October 16th 08, 02:06 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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it's just before accident. Red vertical stabilizer is Joe Walker's F-104

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Patrick R7 wrote in news:48f73c43$0$7937$7a628cd7
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it's just before accident. Red vertical stabilizer is Joe Walker's F-104



Why did the flight require "chase planes" - and
five of them, at that............




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Old October 16th 08, 03:27 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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Mitchell Holman wrote:

Why did the flight require "chase planes" - and
five of them, at that............


They're not chase planes. The aircraft were assembled for a photo shoot for
the benefit of GE, the manufacturer of all the engines of the five aircraft
to be photographed.


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Old October 16th 08, 03:44 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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Steven P. McNicoll a écrit :
Mitchell Holman wrote:
Why did the flight require "chase planes" - and
five of them, at that............


They're not chase planes. The aircraft were assembled for a photo shoot for
the benefit of GE, the manufacturer of all the engines of the five aircraft
to be photographed.


but several flights were with "chase planes" like "B-58", T-38, etc .

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Old October 16th 08, 03:48 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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Patrick R7 wrote:

but several flights were with "chase planes" like "B-58", T-38, etc .


Of course. But the question was about the planes in the photo on that
flight.


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Mitchell Holman a écrit :
Patrick R7 wrote in news:48f73c43$0$7937$7a628cd7
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it's just before accident. Red vertical stabilizer is Joe Walker's F-104



Why did the flight require "chase planes" - and
five of them, at that............




.... sorry, I don't know. Perhaps it's necessary to watch, to keep an eye
all around this very complex and original aircraft ... ?



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Patrick R7 wrote in
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it's just before accident. Red vertical stabilizer is Joe Walker's F-104



Why did the flight require "chase planes" - and
five of them, at that............


It didn't. It was a promotional phot op for GE. They provided engines for
all of the aircraft in the formation as I recall. I read about this a while
back so my memory may be faulty.

Nick

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Old October 16th 08, 08:55 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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"Canuck" wrote in
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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it's just before accident. Red vertical stabilizer is Joe Walker's
F-104



Why did the flight require "chase planes" - and
five of them, at that............


It didn't. It was a promotional phot op for GE. They provided engines
for all of the aircraft in the formation as I recall. I read about
this a while back so my memory may be faulty.

Nick



AND in Chuck Yeager's opinion:
an accident that should not have happened.
the F-104 driver was NOT a good enough formation pilot to be
in that formation.

"Yeager"
page 179
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Old October 16th 08, 11:33 PM posted to alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
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In article ,
John Szalay wrote:
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= AND in Chuck Yeager's opinion:
= an accident that should not have happened.
= the F-104 driver was NOT a good enough formation pilot to be
= in that formation.
=
= "Yeager"
= page 179

A reasonable description of the accident can be found he

http://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/xb-70a_accident.html

The wikipedia entry on the XB-70 gives some interesting additional
detail on possible reasons for the crash:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XB-70_Valkyrie

Though this was an experimental program managed by North American, the
United States Air Force conducted its own accident investigation. The
Air Force Summary Accident Report[17] found that, given the position of
the F-104 relative to the XB-70, the F-104 pilot would not have been
able to see the XB-70's wing, except via looking back over his left
shoulder. This position would not have been comfortable for extended
periods of time. The Accident Report concluded that Walker, piloting the
F-104, likely maintained his position by looking at the fuselage of the
XB-70, forward of his position. The Report estimated that the F-104 was
70 ft to the side of, and 10 feet below, the fuselage of the XB-70. In
addition, the Report found that from that position, there would be no
suitable alignment points to maintain a precise position relative to the
Valkyrie. Given this supporting evidence, the Report concluded that due
to the unavailability of appropriate sight cues, Walker was unable to
properly perceive his motion relative to the Valkyrie, leading to his
aircraft drifting into contact with the XB-70's wing.

Excellent summary of the entire XB-70 program he

http://www.afa.org/magazine/june2006/0606valkyrie.asp

There is now a huge amount of information about this aircraft on the
web and some of it presents more than just speculation or opinion.

OIV

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