Why did Bush join the national guard?

(ArtKramr) wrote in
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And where did you fight?

Maybe no one was foolish enough to attack the Us on his watch.
Weren't attacked on mine either.

IBM

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"Bob Coe" wrote in news:%_J_c.18374$ni.12041@okepread01:

"ArtKramr" wrote

He pulled strings to avoid combat. He is not much of a man.

Why join the military if you want to avoid combat? Your juvenile
logic makes no sense to adults.

Art has entered his second childhood.
Hence the icoherent babbling and drool all over the place.

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(B2431) wrote in
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Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because
you went along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs
doesn't make your opinions any more valid than anyone else's
especially since you think your combat is the most important
historical event since Adam and Eve.

Once upon a time we had "Tailgunner Joe" now we have "Bomb Aimer Art".
Neither apparently equipped with a sense of shame.

IBM

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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote
"Bob Coe" wrote
"ArtKramr" wrote

Everything about Bush is a non issue right? How about everything about
Kerry?
Also a non issue? You can't have it both ways.

As far as their service to the country 35 years ago, yes, it's a
non-issue,
you are correct.

It is of course a non issue. Or at least it should be. Unfortunately, Kerry
chose to make his three months in Vietnam the foundation of his campaign, so
here we are discussing things that have basically no bearing on todays
world. I am far more interested in what Kerry did in the senate for the last
20 years, but I have yet to hear him mention that in any kind of detail even
once. Kinda makes one think he has something to hide, no?

He still has time to get serious, but the race is around the first curve.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote
"Bob Coe" wrote
"ArtKramr" wrote

Neocon logic.

What's a neocon?

Has he ever answered that?

Nope, and his time is up -- Bzzzt!

"ArtKramr" wrote


Good question that deserves a serious answer. I was in my senior year at
Abraham Lincoln High School in New York. We were visited by recruiting
officers
from the Air Corps,, The Navy and the Marines. They made extensive
presentations about just what it would be like to join their services.
They had
combat veterans back from action address us and tell us how much we were
needed
and what it would be like to serve with them. I was taken by two
presentations;
the Army AIr Corps and the Navy V5 program which was naval aviation. I
opted
for the Air Corps. I had to take a lot of tests; written oral and physical
Upon
passing all of them I was informed that I was accepted as an AIr Corps
Cadet
candidate and would be called up after my high school graduation. I was
interested in the Naval aviation program almost as much as the AAC
presntaion
but since I could only shoose one I took the Army Air corps. As the term
came
to an end I anxiously awaited my graduation and my call up into the Air
Cadet
program. But I had one overiding fear. I was afraid the war would end
before I
got there. It didn't. But I never for one moment considered joining the
reserve. I really wanted ot go to war, not avoid it.But i was very
young.But
the rest of the guys in my HS class flet just as I did. And of all of us
that
chose the Army AIr Corps from that class, I was the only surivor.

Here's a question, Art.

If joining the Reserve was your best (maybe only) shot at an aircrew slot,
would you have done it?
Or would your desire to "go to war" overrided that, and you would have
instead have volunteered for the infantry?

Pete

Art:

You do realize, don't you, that several combat vets in this newsgroup are
refusing to answer your "where did you fight" bull**** question (because to
you, only riding around for a couple of months in a B-26 and only in the ETO
and only during WWII counts as "combat" [sic]) . . . mainly because you are
such a sick, twisted-up-with rage, has-been @sshole.

And the other combat vets in this group- much better men than you- refuse to
sink to your childish level.

Steve Swartz

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:53 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: 69K_c.18382$ni.13946@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

That answers my question.

A fart would answer your question.


That's what I said. You answered my question.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Pete"
Date: 9/5/2004 11:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote


Good question that deserves a serious answer. I was in my senior year at
Abraham Lincoln High School in New York. We were visited by recruiting
officers
from the Air Corps,, The Navy and the Marines. They made extensive
presentations about just what it would be like to join their services.
They had
combat veterans back from action address us and tell us how much we were
needed
and what it would be like to serve with them. I was taken by two
presentations;
the Army AIr Corps and the Navy V5 program which was naval aviation. I
opted
for the Air Corps. I had to take a lot of tests; written oral and physical
Upon
passing all of them I was informed that I was accepted as an AIr Corps
Cadet
candidate and would be called up after my high school graduation. I was
interested in the Naval aviation program almost as much as the AAC
presntaion
but since I could only shoose one I took the Army Air corps. As the term
came
to an end I anxiously awaited my graduation and my call up into the Air
Cadet
program. But I had one overiding fear. I was afraid the war would end
before I
got there. It didn't. But I never for one moment considered joining the
reserve. I really wanted ot go to war, not avoid it.But i was very
young.But
the rest of the guys in my HS class flet just as I did. And of all of us
that
chose the Army AIr Corps from that class, I was the only surivor.

Here's a question, Art.

If joining the Reserve was your best (maybe only) shot at an aircrew slot,
would you have done it?
Or would your desire to "go to war" overrided that, and you would have
instead have volunteered for the infantry?

Pete


The "reserve" means held back. Back then it was a disgrace to join the reserve.
Kids were leaving school and coming back in Marine, Army and Navy uniforms and
we all wanted to go. I wanted to also but after the represent of the ArmyAir
Corps addressed us my mind was made up. I wwanted to fly. And there was a song
popular at that time. It went " Zoot suits and parachutes and wings of silver
too. He'll buzz the clouds as his daddy used to do" I was hooked by the Air
Corp I was afraid I couldn't pass the exams but I was good at math and physics
and passed easily. The physical was no problem since I was on the track and
football teams and in good shape. Next thing I knew I was 10,000 feet over the
Rhine in heavy flak fields doing what I was trained to do. And I'm still here
to tell about it.





Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

The "reserve" means held back. Back then it was a disgrace to join the reserve.

Back then people were eating out of garbage cans to survive you moron.

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Bob Coe"
Date: 9/6/2004 8:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: hm%_c.18818$ni.14424@okepread01

"ArtKramr" wrote

The "reserve" means held back. Back then it was a disgrace to join the
reserve.

Back then people were eating out of garbage cans to survive you moron.


Noi asshole. The war was on. War production was in full swing and employment
100%. No one was eating out of garbage cans then. Is their no limit to your
ignorance and stupidity?. Were you in the military? Tell us abouut it,



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer