Runway demolition at Meigs continues

And what lesson was derived from the B-17's and B-29's in 1943-45?

That air power can be truly decisive in war?

That "strategic precision bombing" wasn't yet possible using the Norden
bomb-sight and "dumb" bombs?

That many brave boys died over Europe so that you and I might be free to
write this today?
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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And what lesson was derived from the B-17's and B-29's in 1943-45?

That air power can be truly decisive in war?

That "strategic precision bombing" wasn't yet possible using the Norden
bomb-sight and "dumb" bombs?

That many brave boys died over Europe so that you and I might be free to
write this today?

So "bombing for peace" is NOT like "****ing for virginity"?

So "bombing for peace" is NOT like "****ing for virginity"?

Depends on the circumstances, I guess.
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Iowa City, IA
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www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 21:56:59 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

That many brave boys died over Europe so that you and I might be free to
write this today?

Yes ... and today we can discuss the use of Napalm-like bombs in Iraq. Some
military guy said somethink like "a tough enemy ...blabla..." ... well,
they haven't had to fight against an airforce ... well, really tough ...
sure needs Napalm ...

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Bombing for peace is like ****ing for virginity.

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 03:22:57 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

So "bombing for peace" is NOT like "****ing for virginity"?

Depends on the circumstances, I guess.

Well, when she is then in "other circumstances", then the ****ing for sure
was not for virginity. *hehe* .. SCNR ... :-))

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wrote:

That many brave boys died over Europe so that you and I might be free to
write this today?

Yes ... and today we can discuss the use of Napalm-like bombs in Iraq.

sure. go ahead and discuss that with the families of coalition forces.

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Bob Noel

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:54:18 GMT, Bob Noel wrote:

That many brave boys died over Europe so that you and I might be free to
write this today?

Yes ... and today we can discuss the use of Napalm-like bombs in Iraq.

sure. go ahead and discuss that with the families of coalition forces.

You mean such nutheads like this teenage-girl .. *hmm* forgot her name (the
one "rescued" out of a hospital) ... who is the new hero (*haha*) and
forgot everything that happened? Sure. I can speak with an umbrella and
expect more response.

Formally declare war first. And you still have to prove (!) the arguments
for invading another (sic) country. None of the "arguments" survived. Well,
guess we have a liar somewhere ... and we have many people believing a
liar.

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Formally declare war first. And you still have to prove (!) the arguments
for invading another (sic) country. None of the "arguments" survived.
Well,
guess we have a liar somewhere ... and we have many people believing a
liar.

Martin, let's, for the moment, assume that *everything* President Bush and
Tony Blair have said was a lie. There were no weapons of mass destruction.
No abuse of the Iraqi people. No threats to his neighbors. None of it.

(Of course, you have to ignore 30 years of historic fact to get to this
position, but that hasn't seemed to deter you.)

So, what have we got left? We've STILL got a despot (Saddam) who had
achieved control of a "country" (that was created by the British. It can be
argued that "Iraq" was -- and still is -- a convenient machination of the
western powers.) through illegal means, that has since been removed from
power by the very countries (Britain and the U.S.) that created him -- AND
Iraq -- in the first place.

This is what's known as "justice", and you might want to get a grip on that
fact before you pop a blood vessel.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:43:50 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

Formally declare war first. And you still have to prove (!) the arguments
for invading another (sic) country. None of the "arguments" survived.
Well,
guess we have a liar somewhere ... and we have many people believing a
liar.

Martin, let's, for the moment, assume that *everything* President Bush and
Tony Blair have said was a lie.

well, IMHO, most of it.
But you are free to name 2 or 3 things and prove it with links to available
sources where he said the truth (regarding Iraq).

There were no weapons of mass destruction.

back then .. yes. with the consent of whom? Eh? Who OK'ed the use of WMD
back then? But back then he was your friend, then it was OK. :-)

No abuse of the Iraqi people. No threats to his neighbors. None of it.

hm, this gave you what rights? You are not world police.
And: Have I ever said that the regime was any good?

(Of course, you have to ignore 30 years of historic fact to get to this
position, but that hasn't seemed to deter you.)

Hm, I might be wrong, but probably everything what will come now (in Iraq)
will be worse in every term. But this might depend on what you like to
believe.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=Iraq
might be a good startingpoint

So, what have we got left? We've STILL got a despot (Saddam) who had

Yes, like many others.

Do you know that there are many people in the world who dislike the way how
others live? One group are the muslim extremists who don't like the way how
we live in the western world. Hm, and there are many in our neck of the
woods who don't like how some in the 'eastern' part of the world are living
(ever read about terms like "camelf*ckers", "people who live in caves and
live on [our] petro-dollars", ...?). You can't split this single globe in
two parts and keep the better part. You have to live in peace with everyone
on the same globe. This is true for everything: polution, economy,
world-climate, ...

achieved control of a "country" (that was created by the British. It can be
argued that "Iraq" was -- and still is -- a convenient machination of the
western powers.) through illegal means, that has since been removed from
power by the very countries (Britain and the U.S.) that created him -- AND
Iraq -- in the first place.

This is one of the worst arguments I ever heard to justify this invasion.

This is what's known as "justice", and you might want to get a grip on that
fact before you pop a blood vessel.

Well, seems that your interpretion of justice is slightly different than
mine. :-)

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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:43:50 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:
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hm, this gave you what rights? You are not world police.
And: Have I ever said that the regime was any good?

You're right, we are not world police. We have the power to do what we
believe to be in our best interest, and will use things like WMD and Nazi-
style mass murders and war crimes to justify our actions to the
"Politically Correct" ignorant masses who like to think that the world is
Mr. Roger's Neighborhood (a childrens television show about a neighborhood
where everybody is nice to each other and gets along all the time).

snip

So, what have we got left? We've STILL got a despot (Saddam) who had

Yes, like many others.

Do you know that there are many people in the world who dislike the way
how others live? One group are the muslim extremists who don't like the
way how we live in the western world. Hm, and there are many in our
neck of the woods who don't like how some in the 'eastern' part of the
world are living (ever read about terms like "camelf*ckers", "people
who live in caves and live on [our] petro-dollars", ...?). You can't
split this single globe in two parts and keep the better part. You have
to live in peace with everyone on the same globe. This is true for
everything: polution, economy, world-climate, ...

Exactly the point. How come in your eyes it is OK for the Extremist Muslim
Monarchies to declare war on the "Western Infidels" but for us to retaliate
and demonstrate the consequences to them is wrong? Is it just because we
are stronger? Is it "unfair".

Life is unfair. If they want to declare themselves as our enemies but not
be squashed by our powers, they have two choices - either become more
powerful and squash us first, or change their policies and become our
allies. Otherwise, we will do what we feel necessary to pre-emptively
protect ourselves from the people who insist that we are their enemies.
Sure, it's popular consensus these days to root for the underdog, and talk
about being fair and all that jazz. But reality is harsh... If you don't
like it, go ahead and wait until they amass enough power to destroy you,
which is clearly their intent anyway. Maybe this time we'll leave you to
suffer the consequences of your own ignorance...