JFK

Martin Hotze wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:26:50 -0500, Rachel Carlson wrote:

Thank goodness we finally have a President who not only gets the message, but
takes action.

He's the president of the USA, not from Iraq nor from the whole world. Your
boundaries are clearly printed on the globe. Mess around _*within*_ these
boundaries.

Isolationism set the stage for many larger wars in the end, including World War
II. Funny how the Japanese airplanes visited Pearl Harbor during USA's
isolationist stage.

Robert Perkins wrote:

It's a kindness good hearted Germans usually extend to good hearted
visiting foreigners, in my experience, especially the ones that show
solidarity with them.

I found that to be the case when I visited Bavaria. I well remember trying to
find the tour bus in Bayreuth. My brother and I were half lost, so I stopped a
young lady in a business suit (how they negotiate cobbled streets in 4" heels
is beyond me). I excused myself and said in my atrocious accent "Wo ist die
neuer schloss?"

There are at least three grammatical errors in those five words. Her eyebrows
went up in astonishment at the butchery I was doing to her language. She started
to smile, realized that that would be rude, and wiped it away, and then politely
told me (as near as I can tell) to continue another block, turn left, and it
would be on the right. I thanked her and we followed her directions. Found the
bus too.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is, death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.

mike regish wrote:

Funny thing is, there was a letter to the editor in our local paper a few
weeks ago that quoted Buhs the senior on why he wouldn't go into Iraq. It
described/predicted exactly the situation now. You'd think junior would at
least listen to dad.

At the end of World War I, the Treaty of Versailles was signed, which put
conditions on Germany rebuilding its military. When Germany later began
rebuilding its military and building concentration camps, England ignored it.
France ignored it. And even USA ignored it. The stage for a much greater war
was set.

At the end of the Gulf War in 1991, a cease fire was signed, with Saddam
Hussein's Iraq agreeing to conditions of not building certain weapons. Yet he
did, and even the UN admitted that he was not living up to his cease fire.
Thus the cease fire was void.

History repeats itself for those who never learn from it.



Takes action myass. He wanted this war for oil and business.

Huh? We don't need to go to Iraq to get oil. Are you saying that we went to
Afghanistan "for oil" too?

He doesn't give
a flying fig about the Iraqi people.

His actions show otherwise.

The inspectors were going in. This war
is unnecessary.

The inspectors hadn't been in for over half a decade. Why did they suddenly go
back? The threat of force was the ONLY reason Hussein was going to let them in
at all, even as he was hiding his programs.


The stern threat was probably necessary to get the
inspectors in,

It's obvious that they were not going anywhere without credible threat of force,
because they didn't go anywhere without a credible threat of force. .

but once they were, Buhs had no reason to wage this war
beyond the almighty dollar. Even Rummy said that if we didn't find weapons
in "x" months, which have long passed, we would have a credibility problem.

Do tell us what x really is. Speaking of credibility problem, you seem to have
no problem with Clinton's brutual bombing of Baghdad in 1998, the strikes in
1995, the Belgrade calamities caused by bombing in 1999, the bloody excursions
in Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia. But whenever there was terrorism (World Trade
Center bombing 1993, Cole Bombing, US Embassy bombings, and so on), there was no
response except the message that America will not respond.

And we do-except for those who refuse to face reality.

Don't take my word, Click here to hear Clinton say it in his own words:
http://tinyurl.com/67rz (small audio file)

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:01:42 -0600, "Dan Luke"
wrote:

Presidents are elected on TV appeal, and JFK was prettier than Nixon. He
was a dangerous playboy with a penchant for international mischief, but
he had sex appeal that America couldn't resist - still can't.

Shocking as it might be too all the Boomers out there, *this* gen-Xer
would really like it, now that the geopolitical situation is very
different, if people would leave JFK to the history books and, y'know,
move on.

He was just zis guy, you know?

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

Martin Hotze wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 01:31:07 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Thousands of innocent Iraqis have been
saved.

Saved from what? From beeing hit by allied bombs?

From a regime which filled barrels with the chopped off ears of those just
accused of infidelity to the regime while wives and children were raped. But
those were the lucky ones, by the accounts that the Wall Street Journal has
reported. Perhaps where you are from, placing pins in the eyes of "dissidents"
is standard practice not worthy of being saved from. But I don't think so.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:27:03 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote:

It is said that by summer 2004 the troops should leave and Iraq should have
its own government. I bet 1:100 that there comes up the same mess than
everywhere else (except Europe) where western allies left after messing up
the area.

ISTR that Germany has still got foreign troops on its soil.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:42:03 GMT, Philip Sondericker
wrote:

Berliner refers to a resident
of Berlin, just as a Hamburger is a denizen of Hamburg and a Frankfurter
resides in Frankfurt. Generally, these words are only funny to non-Germans
who haven't the slightest idea what they're talking about.

Germans simply don't form the sentence that way. The article "ein" is
superfluous in the context of identifying with a group.

Ich bin Sizilianerin.
Er ist Schweizer.
Sie sind Oesterreicher.

That's conversational German. Using the indefinite article would just
never come up in a spoken conversation, and I have participated in a
*lot* of German conversations.

You might hear the *definite* article from time to time, but it will
almost always come with a name, in the case of self-identification.

"Ich bin der Berliner, John Kennedy", and so forth.

(In the case of third person pejorative references you might not get a
name. "Er ist der Schwule da drueben," and so forth.)

Hearing "Ich bin ein Schweizer" or anything like that is akin to
hearing a non English speaker say "I go today to get milk at store."
The English speaker would use gerunds.

Rob, who knows what he's talking about

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:55:20 -0500, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Wouldn't jelly doughnut be gelee krapfen?

There's a particular type of jelly doughnut that's called a Berliner.

Just for the record, that'll be a fruit-filled yeast fried pastry,
without a hole, topped when hot with granulated sugar and left to
cool. They're pretty good, but like most European bread products
aren't soaked in preservatives, so they go really stale within about
15 hours of preparation.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

**sigh**

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 00:17:16 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

Not in English.
Nor in German.

Doch auf Deutsch. Der Indefinitivartikel "ein" wird in so einem Satz
einfach nicht gefunden. "Ich bin Berliner" toent richtig. "Ich bin ein
Berliner" hoert sich komisch aus.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:56:50 -0500, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Martin Hotze wrote:

No.

Well, you certainly know the language much better than I.

Don't bet on it.

Rob

--
[You] don't make your kids P.C.-proof by keeping them
ignorant, you do it by helping them learn how to
educate themselves.

-- Orson Scott Card