OT-Killing Pop-ups as a webmaster

Front page is a good program, I use it and I know alot of others who use it, I
know some people who use dream weaver and liked to argue that it was better, but
they are basically the same, if something works no need to change to anything
else.

Jay Honeck wrote:

It apparently had no effect on performance, which,
in the end, is all that matters.

exactly

I dont understand what is wrong, is his website not working for you, can you not
read it?
Everything aside, can you see his site the way he intended it to be seen?


Martin Hotze wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:42:41 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

... and produces another one producing more or less crap - and he is proud
of it.

Well, Martin -- I speak with hundreds of hotel guests, most (like, 99.9999%)
of whom know nothing about HTML, or any of the so-called HTML "standards" to
which you (and others) refer.


millions of flies can't be wrong! folks! eat ****!

The number one thing I hear about our website is that it is so much easier
to navigate and is actually chock-full of real information about the hotel
than most commercial sites. Too many sites are nothing but "fluff", and

compared to so many home-made websites from many (esp Americans) I come by
and that are really a pain in the ass yours is really rather informative.
But you are pointed to the correct ways of how things are done and you
simply ignore them.

nope. there is a language with *rules* (you know, such things like an ADIZ
in aviation). Frontpage ignores most of them.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. You, like we former DOS-heads once did,
seem to view these "rules" as inviolate and unbreakable. This, my friend,
will be your ultimate downfall.

HTML is standardised. You are referring to proprietaire products.

DOS had rules, too. Windows first worked within them, then ignored them and
made new ones.

Where is DOS now?

you compare one Microsoft crap with another Microsoft crap. Microsoft is
NOT standard (or compare Mac OS 8 with Mac OS 9, also non standard).
Hello!!!! This would be the same as when everyone would have Cessna, Piper
or Lycoming as reference in aviation (and this would be ridiculous).

HTML is standardised (as many other things are) and M$ is simply ignoring
them (at best). They find people like you finding that OK.

Once again: eat ****, because million of flies can't be wrong.

#m

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"Chuck" wrote in
nk.net:

How about the other people here? Is it compatiable with your browser?

(1) Opera 7.20
(2) No.

(1) Netscape 7.1
(2) No.

(1) MSIE 6.0.2800.1106
(2) Yes. (Surprise)

--
John Godwin
Silicon Rallye Inc.

(remove SPAMNOT from email address)

Now I have to rewrite what I was writing, I visited your webpage with
nutscrape and your faq page crashed my browser.

But your page talks about how to make pages works and how crappy some sites
are. You have several problems, one being your not to experienced at using
your graphics program what ever it may be (photoshop what ever), your faq
page crashed my browser. Its not browser friendly, I wont visit it again
because I dont want my browser to crash.


Doug Vetter wrote:

particularly because it's so OT, but friends don't let friends use
FrontPage. :-)

May I suggest that you (and Jay, and the remainder of the bipedal world
for that matter) NOT waste your time with FrontPage? It creates
HORRIBLE (meaning, non-standards-compliant) HTML and some of the most
annoying website designs I've ever seen. One particular annoyance is
the use of JAVA for simple menu buttons (!) Uh, talk about an improper
use of the technology.

Some recommendations:

1) Go get a copy of Dreamweaver. You owe it to yourself AND the people
who will visit your site.

http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/

It creates near PERFECT HTML and has a really nice WYSIWYG editor.
Incidentally, you don't NEED Dreamweaver or FrontPage to create a
website...they only eliminate the need to code raw HTML for the vast
majority of sites. And, when you finally discover the wonders of
standards-compliant CSS, Dreamweaver will significantly simplify
creation of CSS styles.

2) Check out the following site, which contains a lot of really good
(and strangely funny) advice on how to create a user-friendly site that
emphasizes content and compatability over flashiness and gimicktry.

http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

For what it's worth, my site was created with Dreamweaver and uses no
flash, java, javascript or any other client-side dependent crap, and the
first line in almost every email I get that references the site is "hey,
you have a really nice site".

And no, I'm not being vain...only providing a personal example of
what's possible with what I'll choose to call a "minimalist, yet
technically competant" approach to website design.

Oh, one other thing. STOP using IE. Go grab the latest Mozilla or
Firebird browsers. They both have pop-up ad blocking built in.

Safe flying,

-Doug

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Doug Vetter, CFIMEIA

http://www.dvcfi.com
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:UdBtb.10159$Dw6.66595@attbi_s02...
I changed some of the metafiles (or "meta tags") in my website this
afternoon, emphasizing "hotels" more. I did this in an effort to get
search
engines to "see" our site more clearly, and (hopefully) move us up a few
notches in the "results".

Well, something worked. Within an hour I had acquired a "pop-up" ad that
now shows up every time I open my website. (I assume you ALL see this,
right?) It appears to be "keying" on the "hotels" meta tag? (See it --
and
hopefully our site -- at www.AlexisParkInn.com )

As most of you know, I'm learning HTML on the fly here -- so excuse the
potentially dumb question, but: Is there anything I can do from the
webmaster's side to eliminate this kind of "pop-up parasite"?

Thanks in advance...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Not with a free pop-up preventer.
--
Jim in NC

Just returned to Minnesota, after a visit to Iowa City.

Jay's (3 story x 3 buildings) Inn is much, much nicer than it appears in the
web photos. The rooms are great, especially compared to most big hotel
chains. The Inn is cozy and relaxing, and sits next to the Iowa City
airport. There is much to do, as I discovered, in Iowa City - University
town. Jay's Inn has a friendly family-run feel to it.

As for "aviation theme" ...this was the biggest surprise. Reading about it
is one thing ...seeing it is something else. EVERYWHERE are aviation
artifacts, aviation artwork, signed historic photos, airplane models,
aviation magazines, airplane wallpaper, blueprints of old planes, dials,
switches and instruments from planes, propellers, framed aviation posters,
framed airplane pictures, and the list goes on, and on, and on. You'll never
get to your room if you stop to look at everything. Slight exaggeration, but
not by much. :-)

After staying at the Inn (and seeing the town) I'd recommend Jay's place as
a fun destination not to be missed. The 7 Amana Colonies (20 miles away by
car) is a must!! Iowa's biggest tourist attraction. There is a grass strip
airport right next to the historic town - any closer and you'd be landing on
Main Street.

Know the code and get a first night discount. (Atlas) tail-number.

--
Montblack


("Jim Baker" wrote)
I couldn't agree more with your comments about HTML. Who gives a flying
fig
what the internal code is....you're not selling internal code. Your
website
looks great and the wife and I are interested in coming all the way out
to Iowa City to see the town and Inn based solely on the excellent sales
job of the website. We live in the L.A. area and believe me, visiting
Iowa
City wasn't on our priority list for vacation sites. But the next time
we're
driving the U.S., which we do every couple of years for a vacation now
that the kids are out of college and on their own, we're going to give
your
place a try....again, based only on the very informative, user friendly
and
visually attractive web site.

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:UdBtb.10159$Dw6.66595@attbi_s02...
I changed some of the metafiles (or "meta tags") in my website this
afternoon, emphasizing "hotels" more. I did this in an effort to get
search
engines to "see" our site more clearly, and (hopefully) move us up a few
notches in the "results".

Well, something worked. Within an hour I had acquired a "pop-up" ad
that
now shows up every time I open my website. (I assume you ALL see this,
right?) It appears to be "keying" on the "hotels" meta tag? (See it --
and
hopefully our site -- at www.AlexisParkInn.com )

As most of you know, I'm learning HTML on the fly here -- so excuse the
potentially dumb question, but: Is there anything I can do from the
webmaster's side to eliminate this kind of "pop-up parasite"?

Thanks in advance...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



Hmmm... I don't get the popup. Perhaps you acquired a bit of spyware? Try
downloading Search and Destroy, an excellent free program for deleting
spyware from computers. If this thought is correct, the problem lies in your
computer and not on your website.

Harvey

In article , John
Godwin wrote:

How about the other people here? Is it compatiable with your browser?

(1) Opera 7.20
(2) No.

(1) Netscape 7.1
(2) No.

(1) MSIE 6.0.2800.1106
(2) Yes. (Surprise)

(1) iCAB 2.6
(2) NO

Just returned to Minnesota, after a visit to Iowa City.
(Lots of nice stuff snipped)

*blush* Thanks, man.

Jay's (3 story x 3 buildings) Inn is much, much nicer than it appears in
the
web photos.

Okay, NOW we're on to some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism here. What, exactly do
you mean by that?

If you mean the photos suck, I agree with you. I have struggled to take
pictures in our suites that "capture" their spaciousness and the "feeling"
you get in them, to no avail. Because you simply can't "back up" far enough
to take in an entire room, I can't seem to take a photo that really "works".

One promising option: I just purchased a new Canon FS400, which came with
some nifty software for "stitching" several photos together. (A crude first
try can be seen at http://alexisparkinn.com/renovation.htm ) This
certainly helps with that "looking through a tube" feeling of most interior
photos, but it's far from perfect.

Anyone got a better idea? Anyone know how to do one of those "virtual
tours"?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

EDR wrote in :

(1) iCAB 2.6
(2) NO

(1) HotJava 3.0 )
(2) No.

(1) Mosaic 3.0
(2) What's XML?

--
John Godwin
Silicon Rallye Inc.