DUI's and flying?

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:11:27 -0500, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote in Message-Id:
:

If I'm not that passionate about it then it doesn't make sense
for me to persue it.


If you can even think, yet alone utter that sentence, you probably
will be unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices.

**** happens sometimes! I drink maybe once every two weeks. Maybe some may
consider that alcohol abuse but I don't.

Agree with you on both counts. I drink at least that much, at least as
often, and I don't consider myself to be an alcoholic.

Of course, this leaves several alternatives, not the least likely is that
you are just incredibly unlucky.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I did not defend drinking and driving - that is clearly a no no. My issue
is with the labeling the poster an alcoholic, then the continued posts of
that nature with a number of faulty assumptions. The intolerance I
mentioned was thrown in regarding Jay's views on a few issues he seems to
think are appropriate for an aviation group. Instead of answering the
person's questions about FAA issues and commercial ratings Jay, among
others, chose to chastise the person. We come to find out later that Jay
readily admits to still driving after a few drinks!?!?! What is that all
about? A little but of hypocrisy I think.


"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Richard Hertz" wrote

On this I will have to say you are full of crap.

\Perhaps he has a problem with people who have so little control, that
they
continue to drink and drive.

You know nothing about the
circumstances and should not venture to say that you know what this
person
should do about drinking or not drinking.

YES, HE CAN VENTURE TO SAY THAT HE SHOULD NOT DRINK AND DRIVE!

One DUI is a mistake.
Two, is an indication of a person without self discipline, or very
immature, or an indication of a person with an alcohol problem.

For someone in the services industry you seem to be a little too
intolerant.

Perhaps his position lets him see many too many people with alcohol
problems.

Where have you been the last decade or so? Have you not realized that
there
is little tolerance for people who drink and drive?

To the original poster: Go ahead and try to do the flying thing. Be
aware,
that if you did not change your ways, you will eventually screw up, and be
slapped backwards, all the way to yesterday, if there is another DUI.

I sincerely wish you good luck!
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
Part86 wrote:
My second dui was the first and only time
I drank before driving since my first one. The cop was waiting in the parking
lot of teh bar for it to close (can you say entrapment?).

"Entrapment" must be second only to "ironic" on the list of words that
people misuse.

Anyway, if you do someday find yourself in an interview for a flying job
you'd better be willing to take responsibility for your actions when they
ask about the DUI.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

We come to find out later that Jay
readily admits to still driving after a few drinks!?!?! What is that all
about? A little but of hypocrisy I think.

Apparently my point was too subtle -- let me spell it out more clearly. I
mentioned that I drive home after drinking fairly regularly -- anyone who
goes to a bar with friends, by definition, must -- for a very specific
reason.

Here it is: If I can spend the last 27 years drinking socially in bars, and
driving home, WITHOUT getting a DUI, does it not seem to highlight a problem
when a guy gets busted TWICE for DUI by age 23? As I've repeatedly stated,
he's either incredibly unlucky -- or he's got a problem knowing when to
quit.

As for this being off-topic, HE'S the one who came here, looking for advice
about whether he can fly with two DUIs. As many have already stated, I'd
say he should be able to fly -- but who the heck is going to hire him? In
a highly competitive job market, employers are just looking for ways to
"weed out" applicants.

What chance would he have, when there's 25 guys WITHOUT a DUI conviction
begging for the job?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

If you can even think, yet alone utter that sentence, you probably
will be unwilling to make the necessary sacrifices.

What does that mean?

"Entrapment" must be second only to "ironic" on the list of words that
people misuse.

your right I did misuse it. I wasn't lured into the crime although I was
specifically profiled in order to obtain a desired arrest and conviction
without showing signs of driving impaired.

"Part86" wrote in message
...
"Entrapment" must be second only to "ironic" on the list of words that
people misuse.

your right I did misuse it. I wasn't lured into the crime although I was
specifically profiled in order to obtain a desired arrest and conviction
without showing signs of driving impaired.

The "profiling" was no more egregious than a speed trap along a section of
road known to have a high rate of speeders.

The posts accusing you of being an alcoholic were uncalled for, and are
particular ridiculous since this issue had just been hashed out a month or
so ago with all the same "DUI equals alcoholic" silliness. However, I will
agree with those who suggest you need to completely own up to your DUI
arrests.

The police are not to blame, and were simply doing their job. Any comment
that suggests otherwise, however subtly, just isn't going to be productive
in a job interview situation. Since such comments would be untrue anyway,
you should just accept that and stop worrying about whether your arrest was
fair.

Pete

("Part86" wrote)
"Entrapment" must be second only to "ironic" on the list of words that
people misuse.

your right I did misuse it. I wasn't lured into the crime although I was
specifically profiled in order to obtain a desired arrest and conviction
without showing signs of driving impaired.


As far as the cop goes, that's a GREAT place to be. Just like fishing, you
wants to be where the fish are. Until you've had someone close to you, wiped
off the face of the earth by a drunk driver, you'll probably see the cop's
role in drinking / driving / bar-close / etc as adversarial. It ain't.

Your above reply is an example of why some people, with decades worth of
observations, seem to be under-sold on your ....explanation.

I wasn't going to jump in here tonight, but your above response had me
shaking my head. I am rooting for you, but you are so not getting it with
that mindset.

So, are you taking (flying) lessons this winter? :-)

Keep us posted.

--
Montblack
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:15:57 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:

At 45, I
still occasionally drive home after a few beers. Anyone who goes to a bar
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
with friends does, too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

NO! absolutely not.

#m

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