DUI's and flying?

A street bull don't care what 'substance' you've been abusing... If you are
obviously intox, he's gonna field test your reflexes, and/or breathalyze
you... If your lawyer gets you off later in court, you get off... But you
are gonna be off the street for the rest of that night...

Denny

That's one of my favorite Steppenwolf songs.

mike (I love my attitude problem) regish

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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"mike regish" wrote:

Even the FAA will eventually recognize that people can
change and that maybe there are such things as bad luck, being in the
wrong
place at the wrong time or having a cop with a hardon for you.


or you call it bad attitude.

#m
--
Politician never lie. They just tell their own truth.
(Dave in r.a.p.)

Booze just makes me sleepy...
Denny
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I dunno. I've just never been particularly persecuted for not
drinking. Got teased a bit by collegues that were, but nothing not
good-natured.

You *never* drink? Not even wine with a meal? Or, perhaps, a little
peppermint Schnapps in your hot cocoa on a cold winter's night?

Just curious, but why not?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Same here. I can't even get through one beer if I'm not doing something.
Somebody mentioned spending a night in a bar and alternating alcohol with
non-alcohol drinks and only dring 3 drinks in an evening (several hours).
I've tried that and it gives me a headache.

About the only time nice cold beer tastes really good to me is after
working in the yard on a hot day. And even then, I drink for effect, not
flavor. But that's when the flavor seems actually good. I don't want
something sweet and I've usually done enough water to float a battleship. I
can't understand people who say they drink because they like to an not for
effect. It's a drug. You put drugs in your body for effect. That's what
drugs are for.

mike regish

"Dennis O'Connor" wrote in message
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Booze just makes me sleepy...
Denny
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news2zyb.376643$Fm2.393213@attbi_s04...
I dunno. I've just never been particularly persecuted for not
drinking. Got teased a bit by collegues that were, but nothing not
good-natured.

You *never* drink? Not even wine with a meal? Or, perhaps, a little
peppermint Schnapps in your hot cocoa on a cold winter's night?

Just curious, but why not?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I also very seldom drink alcohol. I also started down that path
because of a strict religious upbringing. I don't believe it'll send
you to hell or anything, but I've seen a lot of pain and suffering
come from alcohol, such as involvment in nearly half of 40,000 auto
accidents per year and domestic abuse, but have never been in a
situation that I thought would be improved by alcohol. I enjoy life
and want to be fully aware of all there is to enjoy. But the main
reason is probably that it can look very hypocritical for a person to
drink and tell their teenagers not to. I figured it was one very small
sacrifice I could make to remain credible to my child and steer her
away from what can be a destructive habit in some. There are other
benefits, such as I will never face a medical issue because of DUI.
And I can't see anything bad in that. I'm curious why people do
drink......
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.





You *never* drink?

Not alcohol. In fact, when eating out, I usually order water.
Restaurants tend to overcharge for soft drinks and fruit juice. I like
cranberry juice at home; the flavor is good and it's said to be a
natural diuretic.

Not even wine with a meal? Or, perhaps, a little
peppermint Schnapps in your hot cocoa on a cold winter's night?

Never tried wine, or Schnapps. For that matter, I've never tried
coffee, or black tea. Or tobacco.

Just curious, but why not?

I grew up avoiding them, in connection with my religious faith. I also
chose a circle of friends as a teen who avoided all that stuff. Then I
went to a college where all the students agree not to imbibe. It's how
I survived the teenage years without becoming addicted to something.

Today I believe I avoid a world of trouble that way. No addictions to
any social substance are possible, if you never try them. Like you,
alcoholism exists in my family, and I'm far too compulsive in too many
harmless ways, (and one not so harmless in the long run,) to expect it
could never happen to me.

Rob

In article osQxb.341166$Tr4.1030000@attbi_s03,
Jay Honeck wrote:
My problem is that I have two DUI's and I don't know how that effects my
opportunities. Does anyone have any knowledge on this subject? I'm 23
years old
and I don't neccessarily have to be a commercial pilot, but I'd like to
fly.

If you are still a practicing alcoholic, the answer is "no".

However, even if you're now sober, I suspect you'll have a hard time getting
your 3rd Class Medical approved.

It seems to be hit and miss. Contact a local AME (aviation medical
examiner) you can find one by looking in the database at
http://www.landings.com and ask their advise/opinion. They are really the
ones that can tell you.
As for becoming a professional pilot... it's hard to say. Given the
large number of people that want to fly and have clean records their
airlines are not likely to go with someone with any DUI/DWI's. Part 135
thou could be a possibility, or becoming a full time CFI. From a
liability standpoint it's a huge risk.
But start buy calling an AME and asking about getting a class III
medical (private pilot) or join/contact AOPA (http://www.aopa.org) and ask
(I'm fairly certain you have to be a member to get advise on medicals
thou).

Well, Jay, look at it this way: I succumb to my general compulsions in
moderation, by limiting them to video games, crime-scene television
shows, and Usenet participance. And flying! :-D

(And, this kind of good-natured ribbing is exactly what I meant by the
non-persecuting sort of teasing I've gotten my entire life.)

Not drinking or smoking is one thing, but THIS? Crime scene television
shows!? NOW you've crossed the line, buddy, and stepped into a serious
mental-health care issue...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

About the only time nice cold beer tastes really good to me is after
working in the yard on a hot day. And even then, I drink for effect, not
flavor. But that's when the flavor seems actually good. I don't want
something sweet and I've usually done enough water to float a battleship.
I
can't understand people who say they drink because they like to an not for
effect. It's a drug. You put drugs in your body for effect. That's what
drugs are for.

You are clearly drinking the wrong beer, Mike! :-)

I won't argue that the effects of a few beers are not nice -- but as I get
older the line has grown fuzzy between "a nice buzz" and "a nice nap".

This is why I prefer three really good beers to six really cheap beers!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article ,
Part86 wrote:
I didn't intend to have my post fuel an argument about alcoholism but some of
the responses have been really ignorant.

If you think it's logical to associate how many times someone has been caught
drinking while driving with how much they actually do it then you have a
serious judgement problem.

You state that your are 23 years old and have two DUIs. The legal age
to drink (USA) is 21. Hence in two years time you have (at least) twice
join extermely poor judgement. This error in judgement endangered your
life and the life of those on the road around you. The FAA is actually a
pretty 'nice' governement organization but they take drinking and flying
VERY seriously.
If you only drank twice a year or conusume alcohol 24/7 is NOT the
issue. It's the poor choices that you have made in a very short period of
time.

My friend IS an alcoholic. He drives drunk every night after 5 shots minimum.
He's been pulled over 4 times and been let go. He has no DUI's. Now that is
good luck. I have the opposite luck. My second dui was the first and only time
I drank before driving since my first one. The cop was waiting in the parking
lot of teh bar for it to close (can you say entrapment?).

No one here cares about luck or the way that drinking and driving is
handled in the USA (which is fairly poorly). They are only commenting on
the choices that you have made and how they relate to aviation. The FAA
has very set polices on these things.
Unfair? well

**** happens sometimes! I drink maybe once every two weeks. Maybe some may
consider that alcohol abuse but I don't.

Abuse? Well that is a bit harsh. Stupid choices, that's dead on. Its
not our fault that you drunk, drove and got caught. The fact that several
other people do not get caught is not of any concern to the FAA.

Thanks to those who stayed on topic and gave me some helpful advice I
appreciate it.

You got both. You should call a local AME (can get info from database
at http://www.landings.com) and ask.

And I can't see anything bad in that. I'm curious why people do
drink......

Nothing wrong with not drinking alcohol, Gene -- I often go days and weeks
without myself.

However, the health benefits of drinking in moderation are hard to dispute.
A glass or two of beer or wine at the end of a long, stressful day can only
be described as "just what the doctor ordered" -- both mentally AND
physically.

You are right, however, that drinking is like a lottery -- you never know
who is going to be susceptible to the "Dark Side" of alcohol. It's a
wonder that my oldest sister and I can drink in moderation, without ill
effect -- in fact, with enhanced *healthful* effect -- while my youngest
sister has spent three decades in the depths of alcoholism and drug abuse.

But I *do* worry about my children, not knowing whether they have the "evil
gene" of alcoholism. Not knowing if they will be able to drink socially and
safely is a deep concern, given my family history -- but I don't think our
not drinking will effect their fate one way or the other.

When they go to high school and (more prevalently )college, alcohol will be
everywhere, and they WILL partake, guaranteed. I think it may be the
"anti-alcohol" movement on campus that has romanticized drinking for the
kids, and made "binge drinking" into an Olympic sport on campuses
nationwide.

Given this certainty, drinking RESPONSIBLY is something I want them to see,
and emulate.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"