OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

"Michael Nouak" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Too late; you already do.

Actually, we don't. You do, though.


Actually you do, and your crime statistics prove it. You just choose to bury
your head in the sand and hope the allmighty government will take care of
you like a good parent. For the record, that's how dictatorships are
started.


I feel your pain.


The only pain you are going to feel is the one where you wake up 10 years
from now and realize that you no longer have any individual rights because
you chose to allow your government to disarm it's population.

"Dave" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide it
(!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting in
my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid
beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but give
me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first
shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on
the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It
really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

It is all relative and with hand guns being outlawed completely possessing
a
gun became a crime. With gun crime being so low any increase looks big.

Funnily enough gun related crime tends to be restricted to the criminals
shooting each other not the public. The main problems in London tend to be
Russian mafia against Albanian mafia, blacks against blacks (Yardies),
drug
dealers against drug dealers.
What we don't get are kids killing each other by accident because Dad left
his gun lying about and we don't get wacko kids going into school blasting
everyone in sight and we don't get guys sniping away at the public either.

The police here take a firm view with anyone with what looks like a gun.
They shoot them. The assumption is that as there can be no lawful purpose
to
be waving a gun around then shooting dead someone with a gun who refuses
to
surrender is legitimate.
Therefore the only ones who need to worry are the nuts who like guns and
criminals. Even a toy gun risks getting the holder shot if the police are
uncertain of the weapon.
Thank fully our police tend to finish gun business with the odd bullet
rather than a shootout.


And you see nothing wrong with this scenario? It dosen't strike you as maybe
a bit tyrannical that owning a toy gun may get you shot by a police officer?
You surrender your rights far too easily, and I am afraid that if a majority
of your population feels similarly, you days as a free people are numbered.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Michael Nouak" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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snip
Too late; you already do.

Actually, we don't. You do, though.


Actually you do, and your crime statistics prove it. You just choose to
bury
your head in the sand and hope the allmighty government will take care of
you like a good parent. For the record, that's how dictatorships are
started.


I feel your pain.


The only pain you are going to feel is the one where you wake up 10 years
from now and realize that you no longer have any individual rights because
you chose to allow your government to disarm it's population.

You don't have many rights now despite your guns. The Feds can do as they
please and as long as shmucks like you keep encouraging them on they are
gonna continue grabbing more power.
The lamest excuse and the rational of all tyrants is "National Security".
Its been used time and time again to curtail individual freedoms.
That's the lesson - but the dumbasses that elect politicians like we have
are too stupid to realise that they are giving away their freedoms.

The politicians are not dumb. They will let you keep your guns but strip you
of everything else. Whilst the "kids" have their "toys" they will be happy.

The politicians love you. You make it so easy for them.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:15:33 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

I avoid everybody carrying a weapon. And as long as I can decide
it
(!)
nobody with a weapon is entering my house, my office or sitting
in
my
car.
And I turn away from everybody carrying a weapon, I also avoid
beeing
too
close to cops carrying a weapon.


What do you do when those that carry guns don't give a damn what
you
decide?



aaahh! now comes logic from cold war. Give everybody a nuke, but
give
me
one nuke more than him.

Seems to have worked out pretty well, no?


or: ... Zombie (The Cranberries)


How profound.

to your question: so I should arm myself and my family and first
shoot,
then ask? I don't want to life in such a world. Thank you.


Too late; you already do. Now please tell me the logic in depending on
the
goodwill of the lawless and criminal to respect your pascifism. It
really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

It is all relative and with hand guns being outlawed completely
possessing
a
gun became a crime. With gun crime being so low any increase looks big.

Funnily enough gun related crime tends to be restricted to the criminals
shooting each other not the public. The main problems in London tend to
be
Russian mafia against Albanian mafia, blacks against blacks (Yardies),
drug
dealers against drug dealers.
What we don't get are kids killing each other by accident because Dad
left
his gun lying about and we don't get wacko kids going into school
blasting
everyone in sight and we don't get guys sniping away at the public
either.

The police here take a firm view with anyone with what looks like a gun.
They shoot them. The assumption is that as there can be no lawful
purpose
to
be waving a gun around then shooting dead someone with a gun who refuses
to
surrender is legitimate.
Therefore the only ones who need to worry are the nuts who like guns and
criminals. Even a toy gun risks getting the holder shot if the police
are
uncertain of the weapon.
Thank fully our police tend to finish gun business with the odd bullet
rather than a shootout.


And you see nothing wrong with this scenario? It dosen't strike you as
maybe
a bit tyrannical that owning a toy gun may get you shot by a police
officer?
You surrender your rights far too easily, and I am afraid that if a
majority
of your population feels similarly, you days as a free people are
numbered.

Nothing wrong with it at all. Guns are illegal. We voted for it, after a
Columbine type incident. We surrendered our licenced sporting guns.
Therefore anyone still with a gun or making out that they were using what
looked like a gun to rob or frighten people must bear the consequences. It
is about personal responsibility and choices.

Having a gun is no big deal. It does not make you a better person. It might
make you feel a bit more secure when there are loads of loonies around with
guns.

Likewise when the chances of meeting someone with a gun is remote do we
worry about being armed? I would only worry if I was mixing with people who
carry guns. As I don't mix with criminals its not an issue.

If our police don't see the need to be constantly armed then why should the
population at large.

Likewise when the chances of meeting someone with a gun is remote do we
worry about being armed? I would only worry if I was mixing with people who
carry guns. As I don't mix with criminals its not an issue.


Oh, you lock yourself up in your castle?

What happens if you encounter a thug with a length of pipe on the way to the
pub?

Which, by the way, if far more likely to happen in London than in Norfolk, VA.

Don


--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article , "Dan Luke"
writes:

I find the company of my fellow honest citizens who are armed to be
comforting.

I don't.

Many of my fellow honest citizens don't have sense enough to pour water
out of a boot. Anyone who can vote can carry a gun in many states:
considering the quality of elected officials, how comforting is that?


It must be niced to be so sure of your superiority over your fellow citizens.

I must point out that operating a car responsibly requires a great deal more
skill and judgment than operating a handgun. Responsible use of a handgun
simply requires leaving it in its holster until something so bad happens that
anything you do with the gun will be better.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Wdtabor" wrote:
It must be niced to be so sure of your superiority over your fellow
citizens.

I said many, not all. Are you telling me you don't feel your judgement
is superior to that of many of your fellow citizens? If so, how then do
you account for the fact that you hold political views that place you in
a minority?

I must point out that operating a car responsibly requires a great
deal more
skill and judgment than operating a handgun.

Requires it, maybe, but does it always get it?

Responsible use of a handgun simply requires leaving it in its holster
until
something so bad happens that anything you do with the gun will be
better.

Well, there's the rub, isn't it? Are we to assume that all gun toters
can judge such situations so nicely?
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Michael Nouak" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Is that a threat? Sure sounds like it to me. For your sake, I hope not
because I just reported you to the FBI. Good luck entering the country
if
you should ever have to.

Boy, if I was Dave, I'd be ****tin' my pants now.

NOT!

Mike



Haven't the terrorists won? They have caused paranoid fear in the US (then
again they already were fairly paranoid). They have nearly paralysed the US
aviation transport system (and nearly bankrupted it), caused a redneck
warmongering illegally elected President to spend billions on a war (which
will perpetuate terrorism) and numerous other side-effects............


Glad I don't live in the states!

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"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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Likewise when the chances of meeting someone with a gun is remote do we
worry about being armed? I would only worry if I was mixing with people
who
carry guns. As I don't mix with criminals its not an issue.


Oh, you lock yourself up in your castle?

What happens if you encounter a thug with a length of pipe on the way to
the
pub?

Which, by the way, if far more likely to happen in London than in Norfolk,
VA.

Give him my wallet (never more than £20 in it). But its never happened yet.

Haven't the terrorists won? They have caused paranoid fear in the US (then
again they already were fairly paranoid). They have nearly paralysed the
US
aviation transport system (and nearly bankrupted it), caused a redneck
warmongering illegally elected President to spend billions on a war (which
will perpetuate terrorism) and numerous other side-effects............


Glad I don't live in the states!

We are very glad about that fact as well.... We already have our quota of
passivist assholes. If your daddy or granddaddy saw the world the way you
do we could have saved a bunch of American lives and you and the pussies
from France would all be speaking German today. At least your current
leadership has some balls and is willing to stand against EVIL.
Unfortunately your neighbors across the channel have chosen to be
insignificant, third-world countries that no longer matter in world
affairs....

Let's see if you boys have the same attitude if one of those camel jockeys
plows one of your beloved British Airways 747s into the Parliament Building.