OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

In article , "Dave"
writes:


What happens if you encounter a thug with a length of pipe on the way to
the
pub?

Which, by the way, if far more likely to happen in London than in Norfolk,
VA.

Give him my wallet (never more than £20 in it). But its never happened yet.



If you think that is an acceptable outcome, then I guess your people are beyond
hope.

England will always be our mother country, but it is sad to see Mom grow old
and senile.

Don
--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

In article , "Dan Luke"
writes:


Responsible use of a handgun simply requires leaving it in its holster
until
something so bad happens that anything you do with the gun will be
better.

Well, there's the rub, isn't it? Are we to assume that all gun toters
can judge such situations so nicely?
--

It just isn't that hard. It is a lot easier that driving a car, and I bet my
life on the competence of other drivers every day.

Beyond that, the requirements for getting a Concealed Weapons Permit are far
more restrictive than that for a drivers license. A single act of ill temper,
getting the attention of the police, will bar you from getting a CWP forever.
Drivers licenses are far easier to get and keep.

I really feel safer in the company of armed CWP holders than without them. But
then guns are just tools to me, I do not assign them magical powers.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

They continue to be Brits -- like quirky, but beloved cousins.

"Joe Young" wrote in message
...

Haven't the terrorists won? They have caused paranoid fear in the US
(then
again they already were fairly paranoid). They have nearly paralysed the
US
aviation transport system (and nearly bankrupted it), caused a redneck
warmongering illegally elected President to spend billions on a war
(which
will perpetuate terrorism) and numerous other side-effects............


Glad I don't live in the states!

We are very glad about that fact as well.... We already have our quota of
passivist assholes. If your daddy or granddaddy saw the world the way you
do we could have saved a bunch of American lives and you and the pussies
from France would all be speaking German today. At least your current
leadership has some balls and is willing to stand against EVIL.
Unfortunately your neighbors across the channel have chosen to be
insignificant, third-world countries that no longer matter in world
affairs....

Let's see if you boys have the same attitude if one of those camel jockeys
plows one of your beloved British Airways 747s into the Parliament
Building.

.....which you know is bound to happen sooner or later.

Of course, I believe that the attitude that they will then adopt will be to
blame the USA, rather than the terrorists. Their logic already dictates that
the world would be a peaceful and utopian dream-come-true if the USA wasn't
around to muck it all up; so it only stands to reason that terrorists can't
acually be blamed for their own actions when they are obviously and justly
responding to the world represented by the Great Satan of America.

They are nothing more than useful idiots for the tyrants and terrorists who
want to kill them anyway, as are all appeasers. If these people were around
60 years ago, Hitler would have easily realized all of his dreams.

"Dave" wrote in message
...

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...

Likewise when the chances of meeting someone with a gun is remote do we
worry about being armed? I would only worry if I was mixing with people
who
carry guns. As I don't mix with criminals its not an issue.


Oh, you lock yourself up in your castle?

What happens if you encounter a thug with a length of pipe on the way to
the
pub?

Which, by the way, if far more likely to happen in London than in
Norfolk,
VA.

Give him my wallet (never more than £20 in it). But its never happened
yet.


'Yet' being the operative word. And what happens when they want your car? Or
your house? Or your girlfriend? Or your daughter? If armed rapists break
into your house and have their way with your wife or daughter, who is going
to protect you then? Or are you going to self-rightously explain to your
loved ones how they need to just comply with the wishes of the criminals,
because you no matter how bad it will be, nothing justifys gun ownership?

And mind you, this scenario is FAR more likely to occour if the criminals
are 100% assured that the people in the house have no way to defend
themselves.

Do you see the problem with abject pascifism? No, probably not. So go ahead
and allow criminals to have their way with you and your family, weather it's
a $20 stickup or a gang rape. And as they rape your daughter or beat you
with baseball bats for whatever little cash you may have, you can rest easy
knowing that your pascifist ideals are intact.

"Joe Young" wrote in message
...

Haven't the terrorists won? They have caused paranoid fear in the US
(then
again they already were fairly paranoid). They have nearly paralysed the
US
aviation transport system (and nearly bankrupted it), caused a redneck
warmongering illegally elected President to spend billions on a war
(which
will perpetuate terrorism) and numerous other side-effects............


Glad I don't live in the states!

We are very glad about that fact as well.... We already have our quota of
passivist assholes. If your daddy or granddaddy saw the world the way you
do we could have saved a bunch of American lives and you and the pussies
from France would all be speaking German today. At least your current
leadership has some balls and is willing to stand against EVIL.
Unfortunately your neighbors across the channel have chosen to be
insignificant, third-world countries that no longer matter in world
affairs....

Let's see if you boys have the same attitude if one of those camel jockeys
plows one of your beloved British Airways 747s into the Parliament
Building.


Our leadership is a sick joke, that's why he is so matey with your
leadership.
He has no balls at all. He is stupid vain and arrogant - ideal qualities for
a politician.

Like Bush he was elected with less than a majority of the popular vote.

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...

Likewise when the chances of meeting someone with a gun is remote do
we
worry about being armed? I would only worry if I was mixing with
people
who
carry guns. As I don't mix with criminals its not an issue.


Oh, you lock yourself up in your castle?

What happens if you encounter a thug with a length of pipe on the way
to
the
pub?

Which, by the way, if far more likely to happen in London than in
Norfolk,
VA.

Give him my wallet (never more than £20 in it). But its never happened
yet.


'Yet' being the operative word. And what happens when they want your car?
Or
your house? Or your girlfriend? Or your daughter? If armed rapists break
into your house and have their way with your wife or daughter, who is
going
to protect you then? Or are you going to self-rightously explain to your
loved ones how they need to just comply with the wishes of the criminals,
because you no matter how bad it will be, nothing justifys gun ownership?

And mind you, this scenario is FAR more likely to occour if the criminals
are 100% assured that the people in the house have no way to defend
themselves.

Do you see the problem with abject pascifism? No, probably not. So go
ahead
and allow criminals to have their way with you and your family, weather
it's
a $20 stickup or a gang rape. And as they rape your daughter or beat you
with baseball bats for whatever little cash you may have, you can rest
easy
knowing that your pascifist ideals are intact.

Maybe its just that people behave differently here that the risk is so small
that the chances of violent assault are so small that the solutions you
propose are out of proportion to the risk -the first rule of insurance.

Secondly if I was to be held up the aim is to not get in a fight but to
survive. Not about being a pascifist, its about being smart and knowing when
to fight and when not to fight.

I was held up at knive point in South Africa last year by two black youths.
The main aim was to get the guy with the knive as far away from me as
possible. So I let him have the camera and threw 100 rand ( $10) on the
floor. He dropped the camera, which I picked up and then fled empty handed.
No point having a fight.

FWIW Brits have more chance of being robbed and murdered on vacation in
Florida than we do in our own country. On your hypothesis we should all be
issued with guns on entry to the US to give us a fair chance.

And also FWIW Europeans dont fear guns. As was pointed out earlier they are
inanimate objects absolutely useless until a persons picks on up. The fear
is about who can and who has access to guns and their attitute to using
them.
The gun is never the problem its the person.

As for the Americans war on terrorism, they were pretty absent when we were
fighting the Irish terrorists in fact many of them were funding Irish
terrorist organisations. Not exactly a consistent policy.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"Wdtabor" wrote:
It must be niced to be so sure of your superiority over your fellow
citizens.

I said many, not all. Are you telling me you don't feel your judgement
is superior to that of many of your fellow citizens? If so, how then do
you account for the fact that you hold political views that place you in
a minority?

I must point out that operating a car responsibly requires a great
deal more
skill and judgment than operating a handgun.

Requires it, maybe, but does it always get it?

Responsible use of a handgun simply requires leaving it in its holster
until
something so bad happens that anything you do with the gun will be
better.

Well, there's the rub, isn't it? Are we to assume that all gun toters
can judge such situations so nicely?

You might wish to know that civilian "gun toters" are about one SEVENTH as
likely to have a "bad shoot" than their "highly trained" brethren that tote
guns AND badges.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...
They continue to be Brits -- like quirky, but beloved cousins.

Cousins? Are they from Britain...or 'Bama?

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...

"Joe Young" wrote in message
...

Haven't the terrorists won? They have caused paranoid fear in the US
(then
again they already were fairly paranoid). They have nearly paralysed
the
US
aviation transport system (and nearly bankrupted it), caused a redneck
warmongering illegally elected President to spend billions on a war
(which
will perpetuate terrorism) and numerous other side-effects............


Glad I don't live in the states!

We are very glad about that fact as well.... We already have our quota
of
passivist assholes. If your daddy or granddaddy saw the world the way
you
do we could have saved a bunch of American lives and you and the pussies
from France would all be speaking German today. At least your current
leadership has some balls and is willing to stand against EVIL.
Unfortunately your neighbors across the channel have chosen to be
insignificant, third-world countries that no longer matter in world
affairs....

Let's see if you boys have the same attitude if one of those camel
jockeys
plows one of your beloved British Airways 747s into the Parliament
Building.

....which you know is bound to happen sooner or later.

Of course, I believe that the attitude that they will then adopt will be
to
blame the USA, rather than the terrorists. Their logic already dictates
that
the world would be a peaceful and utopian dream-come-true if the USA
wasn't
around to muck it all up; so it only stands to reason that terrorists
can't
acually be blamed for their own actions when they are obviously and justly
responding to the world represented by the Great Satan of America.

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