OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message
...

Of course, they could just want to fly to Cuba and let everyone
off.


Oh, I think those days are over.

"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...
It really
seems to have worked like a charm in the UK where soon after banning
firearms alltogether, gun related crimes went sky-high.

I don't know why people from the US persist in this belief.

I refer to my posts
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L22C42007
and
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I3AC21007
and
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E6EB52007

Gun crime has risen sharply over the past couple of years. Nothing
to do with banning handguns as people have never kept handguns
for protection like in the US. Gun club members could keep them
at home (locked away), after 1997 they can't, they have to keep
them locked at the club. In either case, these were for competition
use only, and as such, licenses were only given for such use.



Even gun clubs have been shut down. In the south of England some people
chose to take their guns to France and keep them there for sporting use
only.

The new rules made it difficult for our Olympic shooting team who now train
abroad.

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
...

Picture two terrorists, one walking to the restroom and one walking back
from. They meet where the marshal is seated. One grabs the guy around
the
throat while the other goes for the weapon.

Uh, there are between 90 and 400 passengers on that plane. How do your two
terrorists know which one to grab, or that there aren't two of them? The
penalty for guessing wrong is death.

Just playing Devil's wotsit here, "the penalty for guessing wrong is death".
Right. So. They grab someone randomly. The air marshal draws his gun
for issuing said penalty. He's identified. The other 3 terrorists then get
the gun off the air marshal.

I don't have an opinion on this, just thought I'd throw that in! In reality
I
would guess that the air marshal wouldn't draw his weapon if the attackers
were unarmed, and the penalty wouldn't be death.

Paul

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:37:34 -0500, "Ron Natalie"
wrote:

"Wdtabor" wrote in message ...
Uh, there are between 90 and 400 passengers on that plane. How do your two
terrorists know which one to grab, or that there aren't two of them?

He's the one sitting in first class and not drinking.

Fortunately, it's not that simple. They don't all sit in first
class...

-J

Jack Davis
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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:49:52 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote:

A brute-force way of doing it would be to have two terrorist cells on
board. The first one begins the hijack. The sky marshall takes charge
and does his job *instantly identifying himself and where he keeps his
gun* to the second cell. The second cell then swing into action some
time later, first seizing control of the sky marshal and his weapon, and
then continuing with their plan. And now they are armed with a gun.

The good news is, the folks in charge of the US FAMs are way ahead of
you and I. This contingency has already been planned and trained,
along with a few hundred other scenarios we can't even imagine.

-J

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"Paul Sengupta" wrote in message
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Just playing Devil's wotsit here, "the penalty for guessing wrong is
death".
Right. So. They grab someone randomly. The air marshal draws his gun
for issuing said penalty. He's identified. The other 3 terrorists then get
the gun off the air marshal.


How simple. Just take the marshal's gun away from him. Tell me, given that
the marshal has already drawn his gun, how do the other 3 terrorists get his
gun without getting shot in the process?

On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:37:56 -0500, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

Correct. If I'm wrong, then there's no problem. If I'm right, then we'd
better have something else ready to handle that case.

We do, in the form of armed pilots flying our passenger aircraft.

-J

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On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 00:02:21 GMT, "Jürgen Exner"
wrote:

A third terrorist just attacks the cockpit door or assaults a cabin crew
member and pretends to strangulate him with shoe laces or a belt. The one
person who jumps up, draws a gun, and arrests the assailant is the air
marshal.

Of course. Now, where are the rest of them (the FAMs, I mean)?

-J

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In article , "Paul Sengupta"
writes:

As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to
the business". The general population can go about their business
without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after.

You have to realise that the way of life is different over here.


Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery,
and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 03:11:24 +0100, "Michael Nouak"
wrote:

Simply become an air marshal. On the day you get the call from Osama, simply
board your flight, maybe with another air marshal. At the appropriate time,
get up, scream "US Marshal, freeze!" and shoot the other marshal, or any
random passenger if you're alone, in the head. Scream "Nobody move!", make
your way up front and demand to see the captain so you can explain the
"situation." Kill the flight crew and crash the plane at a place of your
choosing.

There are a couple of major problems with that scenario - it would
never get that far.

(Sorry for the cryptic reply but it's probably not a good idea to go
into the specifics of what's wrong with your scenario, as you might
imagine.)

-J

Jack Davis
B-737


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