OK, what the hell has happened to the Brits?

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
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I'd be interested to know where those statistics come from (and please
don't
quote the NRA as a credible source).


But HCI, CDC, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc., are a credible sources?

In case you haven't noticed, the NRA studies usually refer to GOVERNMENT
sources. That means they're not too friendly to their to begin with....

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
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I'd be interested to know where those statistics come from (and please
don't
quote the NRA as a credible source).


I can guarantee that there have been several INDEPENDANT studies all
reaching that conclusion inclduding several that are normally quite HOSTILE
to the NRA (ABC News for one...).

So...when he proves his point will you change your mind, or your diaper?

I'll bet you evade it, spin it, or ignore it.

Shawn

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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In article , "Paul Sengupta"
writes:

As pointed out, gun crime only really affects those "in or related to
the business". The general population can go about their business
without even thinking that anyone else has a gun. Before or after.

You have to realise that the way of life is different over here.


Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and
battery,
and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Dave" wrote in message
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"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and
battery,
and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states.

Don

Don't think so.

a firearm offence is any offence in which a firearm is 'used', whether...

Don is talking about the lower rate of other crimes, not firearm
crimes. Since (IIRC) the night-time burglary rate in New York is
about 20% of that in London, he has a point -- few people are
likely to climb through a window if they think the occupant has
a shotgun on the other side.

What the Brits have traded (mostly without realizing it) is a
slightly lower gun homicide rate (those previously-legal-gun
owners who go postal) in exchange for a vastly enhanced
rate for burglary and other crime. It seems like a bad bargain
to me.

But I'm surprised no one has mentioned Tony Martin. He
was a home owner who dispatched a low-life home invader
with his shotgun. He was convicted of murder, reduced to
manslaughter on appeal, and denied parole as he was deemed
"a danger to burglars". The public outcry is such that now
37% (BBC Radio 4 poll) think that a law to allow householders
to use any means to confront burglars is called for. So things
may well change for the better.

In article , "Dave"
writes:


Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and
battery,
and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states.

Don

Don't think so.

This is quoted from a Home Office Report (Like Justice Dept)

a firearm offence is any offence in which a firearm is 'used', whether
fired, used as a blunt instrument or in a threat.

So?

I specified strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assault and battery,
and stranger rape. None of those involve firearms and all are more common in
Britain and Europe than here. (NOTE: possible language barrier, home
invasion=/=burglary. Home invasion robberies are specifically forcefull
robberies in an occupied dwelling)

Also note that rape overall is more common here, but stranger rape is not.
There might be a reporting difference involved as I do not know how statutory
and date rape are defined and reported in europe.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Dave wrote:

"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and battery,
and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states.


a firearm offence is any offence in which a firearm is 'used', whether
fired, used as a blunt instrument or in a threat.

What does that have to do with Don's statement?

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

We do not lock our doors... Any invasion of my house requires the purp to
get past the dog... After that I may point out to him that invading my home
is viewed with extreme prejudice...

"Wdtabor" wrote in

Too bad you folks are so civilized... You would only have to have a mob tar
and feather one magistrate, to put an end to such rulings... It is terrible
to see our staunch allies in two world wars, emasculated so...

Denny
"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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"Wdtabor" wrote in message
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Yes, it is. Strongarm robberies, home invasion robberies, assualt and
battery,
and stranger rape are far more common than here in the states.

Don

Don't think so.

a firearm offence is any offence in which a firearm is 'used',
whether...

Don is talking about the lower rate of other crimes, not firearm
crimes. Since (IIRC) the night-time burglary rate in New York is
about 20% of that in London, he has a point -- few people are
likely to climb through a window if they think the occupant has
a shotgun on the other side.

What the Brits have traded (mostly without realizing it) is a
slightly lower gun homicide rate (those previously-legal-gun
owners who go postal) in exchange for a vastly enhanced
rate for burglary and other crime. It seems like a bad bargain
to me.

But I'm surprised no one has mentioned Tony Martin. He
was a home owner who dispatched a low-life home invader
with his shotgun. He was convicted of murder, reduced to
manslaughter on appeal, and denied parole as he was deemed
"a danger to burglars". The public outcry is such that now
37% (BBC Radio 4 poll) think that a law to allow householders
to use any means to confront burglars is called for. So things
may well change for the better.

"Tony Cox" wrote:

Don is talking about the lower rate of other crimes, not firearm
crimes. Since (IIRC) the night-time burglary rate in New York is
about 20% of that in London, he has a point -- few people are
likely to climb through a window if they think the occupant has
a shotgun on the other side.

From what I have seen of New York, it has a large number of high rise
apartment buildings. They would be a big deterrent to burglars in
themselves - anything without a ground floor exit directly to the
outside would make many burglars think twice. My impression is that
London has less of these.

I could be wrong - I haven't lived in either city - but my point is
that you can't draw conclusions like this from the figures, without
knowing whether they have been corrected for this sort of factor. This
is why statistics have a reputation of being deceiving - you can prove
almost anything if you ignore the right factors.

Assuming that the figures and reasons are correct, I don't think that
I like the tradeoff anyway. You may be less likely to be burgled
overall, but it is still much more likely that you will be burgled by
someone with a gun - which makes it much more likely that you will be
killed by a burglar.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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They continue to be Brits -- like quirky, but beloved cousins.

Awww, thanks, CJ. That's nice.

-- David Brooks

"David Brooks" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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They continue to be Brits -- like quirky, but beloved cousins.

Awww, thanks, CJ. That's nice.


The key word here is "quirky".