Kerry is a pilot?

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Bush's idiotic "amnesty" is generating scrutiny that's indicating
the
numbers (estimates only) might be rather LOW. A site called
votefraud2000.com did a study right after the 2000 election,
May.June,
2001
(unfortunately it's no longer online) that covered the illegal
aliens
as
well as voting by dead people, people long since moved from the
area,
etc.,
etc.

How many DO YOU think voted, and for whom?

Trotski ruined the Mexican economy and it has been curse since then.

What exactly did Trotsky have to do with the Mexican economy?

Trotsky destroyed the Mexican economy with socialism.

Trotsky, huh? Not Marx or whoever it was that imposed socialism on Mexico
from within?

Trotsky was there. The actions Mexico took in 1928 are the same ones they
are still paying for. American oil companies blew every one of their wells
in Mexico that year.

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Trotski ruined the Mexican economy and it has been curse since
then.

What exactly did Trotsky have to do with the Mexican economy?

Trotsky destroyed the Mexican economy with socialism.

Trotsky, huh? Not Marx or whoever it was that imposed socialism on
Mexico
from within?

Trotsky was there.

So he was there...so what? Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

The actions Mexico took in 1928 are the same ones they
are still paying for. American oil companies blew every one of their
wells
in Mexico that year.


So how is Trotsky responsible, other than by merely "being there"?

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Unless Kerry can get the millions (1.2M to 3.8M...so much for a
550K
"margin") of illegal aliens back into the voting booth like Gore's
team
did.

Would you care to cite any evidence for that assertion?

Numbers from the INS as matched with Social service access around the
country (particularly CA) which runs about 25% of IA's. Transpose that
to
voter roles.

In all honesty, I had to read that twice to convince myself that you're
not
joking about the extrapolation to voter rolls. What you say reads like
a
parody of right-wing disinformation campaigns.

Too bad multiple reads don't correspond to comprehension.


You cite no evidence whatsoever about illegal aliens voting--not even a
single documented instance! Instead, you mention a statistic about the
percent of illegal aliens who use social services (which you cite no
source
for, but let's assume it's an accurate figure). You then propose to
PRETEND
that that statistic is a complete different statistic, concerning voter
fraud instead of concerning social-service use. And for some reason,
you
call this pretense "transposing".

It just goes to show that if you're willing to forego any semblance of
intellectual rigor, you can convince yourself of pretty much anything
you
want to believe.


I said they were ESTIMATES ****head.
I also said the ESTIMATES raise QUESTIONS.

No, that's NOT what you said. Go back and read your own initial post
again--it's just one sentence long, and it's quoted in its entirety above.
You spoke of getting "millions...of illegal aliens back in to the voting
booth LIKE GORE'S TEAM DID" (empasis added). You simply asserted, as fact,
that Gore's team actually got millions of illegal aliens to vote, when in
reality you can't demonstrate EVEN A SINGLE INSTANCE. Instead, when called
on it, you resort to pretending that a statistic about social-service use is
a completely different statistic about fraudulent voting! (And now, true to
form, you supplement your embarrassingly transparent speciousness with
schoolyard name-calling.)

Go get started in trying to steal the next election.

Your contempt for basic standards of evidence, truth, and civility is
breathtaking.

--Gary

Ahhh...there we go. The first obscenity in the thread...

mike regish

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I said they were ESTIMATES ****head. I also said the ESTIMATES raise
QUESTIONS. Some rigor you achieve in YOUR disinformation efforts.

Go get started in trying to steal the next election.

But standard fare from the Bushies in these discussions...

mike regish

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Your contempt for basic standards of evidence, truth, and civility is
breathtaking.

--Gary

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Trotski ruined the Mexican economy and it has been curse since
then.

What exactly did Trotsky have to do with the Mexican economy?

Trotsky destroyed the Mexican economy with socialism.

Trotsky, huh? Not Marx or whoever it was that imposed socialism on
Mexico
from within?

Trotsky was there.

So he was there...so what? Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

Trotsky did almost as much damage to Mexico as he did to Russia.

The actions Mexico took in 1928 are the same ones they
are still paying for. American oil companies blew every one of their
wells
in Mexico that year.

So how is Trotsky responsible, other than by merely "being there"?

What would you like to know?

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Trotski ruined the Mexican economy and it has been curse since
then.

What exactly did Trotsky have to do with the Mexican economy?

Trotsky destroyed the Mexican economy with socialism.

Trotsky, huh? Not Marx or whoever it was that imposed socialism on
Mexico
from within?

Trotsky was there.

So he was there...so what? Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

Trotsky did almost as much damage to Mexico as he did to Russia.

HOW??


The actions Mexico took in 1928 are the same ones they
are still paying for. American oil companies blew every one of their
wells
in Mexico that year.

So how is Trotsky responsible, other than by merely "being there"?

What would you like to know?

Why you're being so obtuse.

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Trotski ruined the Mexican economy and it has been curse
since
then.

What exactly did Trotsky have to do with the Mexican economy?

Trotsky destroyed the Mexican economy with socialism.

Trotsky, huh? Not Marx or whoever it was that imposed socialism on
Mexico
from within?

Trotsky was there.

So he was there...so what? Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

Trotsky did almost as much damage to Mexico as he did to Russia.

HOW??

By offering the equality he delivered.

Under Trotsky's plan, 80% of all Mexican live in poverty.

Just send your money to the Government and we will all be equal. (ie poor)

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Trotski ruined the Mexican economy and it has been curse
since
then.

What exactly did Trotsky have to do with the Mexican
economy?

Trotsky destroyed the Mexican economy with socialism.

Trotsky, huh? Not Marx or whoever it was that imposed socialism
on
Mexico
from within?

Trotsky was there.

So he was there...so what? Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

Trotsky did almost as much damage to Mexico as he did to Russia.

HOW??

By offering the equality he delivered.

Under Trotsky's plan, 80% of all Mexican live in poverty.

Actually, it's probably higher...but Trotsky never had contact with Mexican
officials. If there's poverty there, it's caused by the people that ACCEPTED
the "offer". For one thing, Mexico was impoverished long before Trotsky was
even BORN. The basis of poverty is cultural, which accepts the ideology that
leads to poverty.

See Henry Hazlett's _Conquest of Poverty_.

In the same vein, the American slide is not caused by the politicans, but by
the people who ELECTED them.


Just send your money to the Government and we will all be equal. (ie poor)

Poor and stupid! :~)

http://www.poorandstupid.com/chronicle.asp

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Trotski ruined the Mexican economy and it has been curse
since
then.

What exactly did Trotsky have to do with the Mexican
economy?

Trotsky destroyed the Mexican economy with socialism.

Trotsky, huh? Not Marx or whoever it was that imposed
socialism
on
Mexico
from within?

Trotsky was there.

So he was there...so what? Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

Trotsky did almost as much damage to Mexico as he did to Russia.

HOW??

By offering the equality he delivered.

Under Trotsky's plan, 80% of all Mexican live in poverty.

Actually, it's probably higher...but Trotsky never had contact with
Mexican
officials.

Trotsky only needed contact with the people of Mexico to do his work. Now
nearly everyone is "equal".

If there's poverty there, it's caused by the people that ACCEPTED
the "offer". For one thing, Mexico was impoverished long before Trotsky
was
even BORN. The basis of poverty is cultural, which accepts the ideology
that
leads to poverty.

You are mistaken. At the time Trotsky arrived in Mexico, the peso was 1
troy oz of ,.999 pure silver; while the dollar required $1.18 to be an oz
sterling. Today, even with three zeros shaved off the peso, you couldn't
get a pack of gum for a peso.