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EDR wrote:

But they help pilot certificates. That is different from not having a
certificate. Rules of evidence apply (as I understand it, based on
stories in the Southern US).

I'm sure there's a typo in there, and I don't understand what you mean, but I can
assure you that, if an FAA inspector appears before a New Jersey judge and states
that he has reason to believe that a person intends to fly his plane on a revoked
certficate, that's all the "evidence" the judge will require. There will be a prop
lock on that plane that day.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.

C J Campbell wrote:

So what the heck? He just cuts the lock and flies off to another state where
he won't be recognized. Maybe Alaska.

Well, there could easily be many cases of which I have not heard, but the guy that
tried that at Solberg got chased and crashed when he ran it out of gas.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.

Larry Fransson wrote in message news:2004020322035116807%newsgroups@larryandjenny net...
On 2004-02-03 19:11:56 -0800, Roy Smith said:

I'm sure there are plenty of people flying around without licenses, on
expired medicals, etc.

And more than one person with no valid pilot certificate has been hired to
fly an airplane. There is the famous story from (I think) Eastern
Airlines, and in the interview for my previous job, the boss asked to see
my certificate just to make sure I had one, then related a story about how
he had once hired a guy and didn't discover until the guy was in training
that he didn't have a certificate.


i seem to remember ernest k. gann describing such an incident in
"fate is the hunter". (if you're into flying, that is a "must read").

g_a

gross_arrow wrote:

i seem to remember ernest k. gann describing such an incident in
"fate is the hunter". (if you're into flying, that is a "must read").

"Captain Dudley". Had the equivalent of a private pilot's certificate. Flew for
American until they figured things out. Then landed a job with another airline,
blew an approach, and crashed, killing most of the passengers. He finally committed
suicide.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.

"Gene Seibel" wrote in message
om...
| If they ever describe me that way, it won't be because of alcohol. I
| don't touch the stuff. Fling is too important to me.
| --

You like a little fling once in awhile, Gene? :-)

"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
news:2004020406002816807%grewsnoups@larryandjennyn et...
[...] Had he hit the
power transmission lines coming out of the plant, *that* would have been a
spectacle.

Nah...he would've just gotten strung up. Remember the guy who wound up in
the wires over at Boeing Field? And those weren't even high-tension power
lines.

Richard Russell wrote:


I have never had a situation arise where I had to prove that I had a
certificate. Of course, I never rented from anyone other than the FBO
where I trained. I can easily see how someone that had access to a
plane could fly indefinitely without having a valid cert.

It's been a while, but doesn't the AME check the certificate? And doesn't
the FBO ask about a medical every few years?

Andrew

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 14:28:08 -0500, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

Richard Russell wrote:


I have never had a situation arise where I had to prove that I had a
certificate. Of course, I never rented from anyone other than the FBO
where I trained. I can easily see how someone that had access to a
plane could fly indefinitely without having a valid cert.

It's been a while, but doesn't the AME check the certificate? And doesn't
the FBO ask about a medical every few years?

Andrew

I would suspect that the same fellow that is willing to fly without a
cert is perfectly willing to fly without a medical, thus no
crosschecking opportunity there. My FBO has never asked me for
anything, but I'm familiar to them and they trust me. I would expect
to have to provide those documents if I went somewhere else.
Rich Russsell

Roy Smith wrote in message ...
"Marco Rispoli" wrote:
Certainly, if you rent from an FBO or club, somebody's going to want to
see your license, medical, BFR endorsements, etc.

I've yet to have anyone ask to see my "license". I've been asked for
my medical and once for my BFR. I've never been asked for the required
endorsements.

-Robert

Its as stupid as the pilot insecurity rules. If they think you are a
terrorist they revoke your certificate. If you area a terrorist you
think (WTF!) and go about your plans. If you are a regular guy you
spend a bunch of money appealing where you can't even see the
evidenance against you. If someone really is a terrorist and they
really do have bad plans, go down and arrest their ass, don't putt
around pulling tickets! In real life you'd probably have to spend
money appealing through the FAA process (and losing of course because
you don't know the evidence against you). Once you've exhausted the
FAA appeals process you can file an injuction in federal court. That
would be a pretty easy one to win because of "due process". Clearly
the FAA hasn't used "due process" by not letting you see the evidence.
The courts have ruled that "due process" applies to all agencies and
all cases (its not just a criminal thing, its used all the time
against the EPA).


-Robert


"C J Campbell" wrote in message ...
So what the heck? He just cuts the lock and flies off to another
state where
he won't be recognized. Maybe Alaska.