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Camloc Installation Tools
Anybody ever made any of these? The pliers would be easy to make. The
drill jig is $475, the dimpling tools about $300 apiece, and the lockwasher tool $100. Anybody ever make any of these, or are they patented? If they are patented, maybe that explains the exorbitant prices. I made and regularly use tools for installing dzus buttons and their receptacles. I use them on my airplane. Does that make me a felon? |
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I made and regularly use tools for installing dzus buttons and their
receptacles. I use them on my airplane. Does that make me a felon? I would think only if you were trying to sell the tools commercially. Anyway go ahead and make them. I won't tell. |
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 00:45:51 GMT, Ron Wanttaja
wrote: On 03 May 2004 00:41:22 GMT, (JDupre5762) wrote: I made and regularly use tools for installing dzus buttons and their receptacles. I use them on my airplane. Does that make me a felon? I would think only if you were trying to sell the tools commercially. Anyway go ahead and make them. I won't tell. Wouldn't make him a felon, in any case. The worst he'd be doing is violating a patent, which is a civil case. Ron Wanttaja You can reproduce any patented item for your own personal use. If it's used commercially (a tool) or sold, then you're just waiting to be served. -- dillon When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark and the horse's name was Bob. |
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 02:02:22 GMT, Dillon Pyron
wrote: On Mon, 03 May 2004 00:45:51 GMT, Ron Wanttaja wrote: Wouldn't make him a felon, in any case. The worst he'd be doing is violating a patent, which is a civil case. You can reproduce any patented item for your own personal use. If it's used commercially (a tool) or sold, then you're just waiting to be served. I believe you are incorrect. The owner of a patent has the *exclusive* right to make the item. See: http://www.lawmart.com/difference.htm If an item is copyrighted, on the other hand, you generally can reproduce it for private use under the 'Fair Use' provisions of the law. Ron Wanttaja |
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Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Mon, 03 May 2004 02:02:22 GMT, Dillon Pyron wrote: On Mon, 03 May 2004 00:45:51 GMT, Ron Wanttaja wrote: Wouldn't make him a felon, in any case. The worst he'd be doing is violating a patent, which is a civil case. You can reproduce any patented item for your own personal use. If it's used commercially (a tool) or sold, then you're just waiting to be served. I believe you are incorrect. The owner of a patent has the *exclusive* right to make the item. See: http://www.lawmart.com/difference.htm If an item is copyrighted, on the other hand, you generally can reproduce it for private use under the 'Fair Use' provisions of the law. Ron Wanttaja You are quite correct, but theory and reality quickly diverge (as usual). If you build the tool, the owner of the copyright has the basis for a lawsuit, but the amount of damages the owner can hope to collect is limited to the financial damages recieved as a result of you using your own creation instead of theirs. Unless you've set up shop to sell quite a few of these, it wouldn't be worth the lawsuits application fee 8*) That is probably the reason that the myth of 'you can make it as long as your not selling it' has so much staying power. Because for all 'practical' purposes, it's true. On another note. DZUS fasteners are pretty old. Is the patent still in effect. Patents only last 20yrs in most cases. -- http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/ "Ignorance is mankinds normal state, alleviated by information and experience." Veeduber |
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"Ernest Christley" wrote in message . com... [...] On another note. DZUS fasteners are pretty old. Is the patent still in effect. Patents only last 20yrs in most cases. I kinda doubt the tools I made for installing Dzus buttons would be a cause of action even if the patent were still alive. The tools for installing the grummets and the receptacules are fairly simple. Futhahmoah, I doubt the tools one would make to install camlocs or southco fasteners would violate any patent unless you exactly copied THEIR tools. And even then I'm still skeptickle. Geezus, Youseff et Maria, the silly little drill jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced at $475 in ACS. It's practically the same thing as a drill jig for anchor nuts and I know goddamn well those are not patented. Uncle Sam, do you have a patent on those? If zoozes are not in the public domain I'm a monkey's uncle. Matter of fact you can buy them at auto speed shops and they don't even call them zoozes. -- http://www.ernestisasweetie.org/ "Ignorance is mankinds normal state, alleviated by information and experience." Veeduber |
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jls wrote:
"Ernest Christley" wrote in message .com... [...] On another note. DZUS fasteners are pretty old. Is the patent still in effect. Patents only last 20yrs in most cases. I kinda doubt the tools I made for installing Dzus buttons would be a cause of action even if the patent were still alive. The tools for installing the grummets and the receptacules are fairly simple. Futhahmoah, I doubt the tools one would make to install camlocs or southco fasteners would violate any patent unless you exactly copied THEIR tools. And even then I'm still skeptickle. Geezus, Youseff et Maria, the silly little drill jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced at $475 in ACS. It's practically the same thing as a drill jig for anchor nuts and I know goddamn well those are not patented. Uncle Sam, do you have a patent on those? If zoozes are not in the public domain I'm a monkey's uncle. Matter of fact you can buy them at auto speed shops and they don't even call them zoozes. -- http://www.ernestisasweetie.org/ "Ignorance is mankinds normal state, alleviated by information and experience." Veeduber the silly little drill jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced at $475 in ACS. OK, I'm no A&P and haven't been to mechanic school. I have been installing camloc receptacles for 30 years and never ever heard of one of those drill jigs. I use one of those, I guess you call them step drills. I don't see how anything could be better than those even if they were the same $15.00 or so. $475.00!! OUCH! I think I would gnaw a hole in there first |
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