Private air strip..... yes or no???

"just an average Farlang" wrote in
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There is no denying I am overly-concerned..

Huh. Candidate for "Understatement of the Year"?

and there is great reason to be.

You don't know that. You've admitted to a) not talking to the neighbor in
question and b) not attending any zoning hearings. Until you have all that
information, you have *no* reason to be "overly-concerned".

...it gets out of control and turns into something extreme.

Try to keep your composure...because you certainly have no
idea and just making blind accusations.

From the mouths of babes... :-D

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"just an average Farlang..." wrote in
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out you trying to turn
this into a personal attack.

Uh, right. Whatever. Clearly, you didn't bother to read my post.

Bottom line: you probably don't have a leg to stand on, your neighbor can
probably install his airport whether you like it or not, so your best bet is
to be less defensive with your neighbor than you have been here and just
talk to him about your concerns.

If your behavior here is any indication, it seems unlikely you're capable of
this, and we will probably read in the trade papers about your legal action
against your neighbor before too long. But the advice remains the same
regardless.

Pete

There is no denying I am overly-concerned and there is great reason to
be.

Look, the reality is that this is a decidely local issue. There have been
close to a dozen responses, all by people far more knowledgable than myself,
which have said that there is nothing in the federal rules to address the
questions you have raised here. And this is probably as it should be, since
the private airstrip in question is only likely to raise local -- and not
national -- areas of concern.

There are people who read this newsgroup from your state. I doubt that any
of them are real estate lawyers who are licensed to practice there, but I
could be wrong. The point is that it's rather unlikely that you are going
to encounter anyone here who can do anything but guess about the situation.
We don't have any real details concerning the location of the proposed
runway. We don't know anything more about the area than what you have told
us. And most importantly, we just don't know anything about your state's
real estate laws.

If you are so concerned about the situation, the only way you are going to
get decent advice on this question is to consult an attorney, preferrably
one who specializes in real estate and zoning in your local area. I can
understand how you don't want or feel that you need someone to represent you
at the zoning board hearings, but you should talk to a lawyer privately.
Posting to this newsgroup is not going to answer any further questions for
you. If you are of a mind to argue about things, you may find posting to be
fun in some bizarre way, but you won't find any further answers here.

What about a land swap? You buy him land that would offer him a better
runway, away from your house and he gives you his land that joins yours. It
also has certain tax benefits.
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" just an average " Farlang... wrote:
Can anyone tell me what criteria, rules, regulations a person needs to

[...] An odd question to ask on a pilot newsgroup. A troll?

My neighbor owns land that is 2600 feet wide. [...]
The prevailing winds position the optimal take off
direction to be directly over my house about 1500 feet from the
property
line.

That pretty much describes the airport I fly out of. It's 2450 feet
long, with a river on one end and a road on the other. For a long time
it was one way, with takeoffs to the south. There is a noise sensitive
house straight off the end of the runway. Local procedures call for an
immediate left turnout of about 30 degrees.

With those dimensions there's no reason that any informed pilot (which
should be all of them, at a private airport) would ever be directly over
your house on takeoff. They may land over your house but you won't even
hear them.

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EDR wrote:
Not quite true.
Nothing to stop him from erecting a 500 foot tower on his property in
line with the runway.

Actually I know that you can't erect antennas over 200' without the FAA
getting involved. Are they not concerned with buildings?

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Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

After reading all the posts on this thread, I've almost come to the
conclusion we have a troll here?

1. He won't take advice.
2. Argues with everyone who posts in reply to his initial and
subsequent posts.
3. Hasn't/didn't do his home work if he HAS a problem.

Big John


On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:21:21 -0500 (EST), "" just an average "
Farlang..." wrote:

Can anyone tell me what criteria, rules, regulations a person needs to
be
allowed to construct a private runway on his or her property. I know
there
are many factors that are not presently known in this scenario but I
can
try to input as much as I know.

My neighbor owns land that is 2600 feet wide. The elevation is about
3000
feet and the hottest temperature is 91 degrees in the summer. The land
is
located in Idaho. The prevailing winds position the optimal take off
direction to be directly over my house about 1500 feet from the
property
line. I LOVE airplanes! I worked for Boeing (Lazy B) for the last
fifteen
years. I worked at Cessna in Witchita before that. I stop to watch
planes
take off and land. I LOVE PLANES!!! But what I don't love is buying 500
acres to finally get some peace and quiet and then having some loud
plane
buzz my house at will. The person wanting to put in the runway has
money
to build a 3 floor nice house so I expect they will want to be
socialites
and invite all their friends to fly in for a barbacue on the weekend.

I talked to planning and zoning and they don't even know what
prospective
planes will be flown there i.e. ultralites or larger planes that
require
longer runways. I would like to think it is being fair for me to
expect no
planes flying over my land below 500 feet whether taking off, landing
or
pattern flying. I bought my land and paid for the use of each and every
acre. If by putting in a runway on the edge of my property that means
they
are helping themselves to a sort of "easement" flying a hundred feet
or so
over my land that doesn't seem at all fair. I may wish to build a barn,
corral animals (which might go crazy) penned up with planes buzzing
over
them.

Can I get some ideas on what is realistic?

I don't even know what a common length of runway is but a friend of
mine
told me using generic table calculations that a fully loaded small
plane
on a hot day could very well need a long take off and after lift
off ....
how long a distance til that plane gets to minimal required elevation?


Yesterday I took a flying lesson with a chief piot and he told me a
small plane can lift off after about a thousand feet of runway and
then the maximum climb would be about 500 feet per minute. He thought
for a plane to stay the necessaary elevation over my property the
pilot is required a total of no less than 4000 feet. The runway will
be a dirt strip which also requires more distance.

any comments would be appreciated

just an average Farlang... wrote:
EDR wrote:


Has your neighbor told you he is going to build a runway (it was not
clear from your posting)?


No, I found out from another neighbor that there is a hearing in a
week to be held by planning and zoning


At 1000 to 1500 feet from the threshhold, your home is in a prime
location for CFIT or departure accidents.

At the very least, common courtesty, your neighbor should agree to
angle the runway so it does not point directly at your house.

They should also agree to turn away from your house after liftoff.


I asked that question to the chief pilot I consulted. He said to turn
while climbing will make it harder to climb and could be dangerous.

My biggest fears are that the landowner pilot did not have the
courtesy to sit down and talk to me. I did find out who the person is
and left a message asking to talk to him to ask questions like how
often, what planes would be used.


Yes. And also the loudest noise is emmitted on the plane of the
propellor so by turning the noise may be slightly lower in decibels but
will be heard for longer.

"Ryan" f wrote in message ...
I think I
already commented that I didn't know the extent of what the other
landowner intended to do. One flight one day of the month would be
peachy.


Have you tried to the novel approach of going down there and talking to
him
to see what he is planning?? Maybe its not as bad as you imagine.

I think you made a mistake asking such a question in this NG. One thing you
will not get is any objective advise if you are perceived to be criticising
pilots unless you are a pilot.

The contributors here are all so f****** expert at everything to do about
aviation that I am surprised they spend so much time at the NG.

So I am sorry you should clear off and ask your question somewhere else.

"Ben Jackson" wrote:
Not quite true.
Nothing to stop him from erecting a 500 foot tower on his property
in
line with the runway.

Actually I know that you can't erect antennas over 200' without the
FAA
getting involved. Are they not concerned with buildings?

That would be Part 77 of the rules, but it covers only affected
airports which are available for public use.
For a private strip, any obstruction erected so as to deny the owner
of the landing strip free enjoyment of his property is a private legal
matter.

Fred F.