Where CAN you land your plane??

"Gary" wrote in
:

The guy complaining about the next door airport got me thinking more
about a question that's been rolling around in my head for some time.

I'm not a pilot (yet), don't own a plane, or even any significant
land,
but
I've kind of wondered..... If I owned enough land somewhere "could" I
just land my plane on an appropriate surface? or would it have to be
a registered airport? Would it matter if it was an Ultralight, or an
"N" registered plane??

What are the rules (federal) that govern this? or is it a state by
state thing (I'm in Texas if it really matters).

I know I here of planes in Alaska that land on a local road, pull up
to
the
rural gas station to fill up, and take off again (or is that an Urban
Legend?)


In Texas, you supposedly need Texas Parks & Wildlife Dept permission
to land a seaplane on a lake. At a couple of remote airports, I've
taxied off airport property down to a nearby gas station for fuel,
having no idea if it was legal.



That's another question I had running around in my head for several
years... Didn't want to ask both at once... thanks for adding that.

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

Kyler Laird wrote in
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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...h=4a632a77d0d9
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--kyler

All responses have been helpfull and interesting... Thanks for the links to
old threads, I normally am a faithfull "google first" person.. but for this
one, I couldn't think of a good combination of search terms that would not
yeild a million hits that are not relevent.

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

Marty Shapiro writes:

CAUTION: The runway is an automobile highway. Call on 122.8 and ask
Chico Hot Springs to block the road. Land on 15; depart on 33.

I recall one or two places like that in our fly-in restaurant guide. The
notes are similar. ("Call and we'll stop traffic.") I suspect it was
common back before airports were.

--kyler

I know of at least one place in Kansas where you can land, taxi to the
gas station, get gas and taxi back to the field. Another place that you
taxi off the runway onto the road, stop at the stop sign, pull into the
parking lot, have lunch, crank back up, taxi down the road, stop at the
stop sign then back to the field to take off.

There is no rule that airports need to be registered with the Feds. I
have operated many times from non-airport fields. Never in anything bigger
than a 4 seat plane, though. If you're worried about insurance issues
it becomes an entirely different matter.


In article , ET
wrote:
The guy complaining about the next door airport got me thinking more about
a question that's been rolling around in my head for some time.

I'm not a pilot (yet), don't own a plane, or even any significant land, but
I've kind of wondered..... If I owned enough land somewhere "could" I just
land my plane on an appropriate surface? or would it have to be a
registered airport? Would it matter if it was an Ultralight, or an "N"
registered plane??

What are the rules (federal) that govern this? or is it a state by state
thing (I'm in Texas if it really matters).

I know I here of planes in Alaska that land on a local road, pull up to the
rural gas station to fill up, and take off again (or is that an Urban
Legend?)

In article t, d b
wrote:

Another place that you taxi off the runway onto the road, stop at
the stop sign, pull into the parking lot, have lunch, crank back up,
taxi down the road, stop at the stop sign then back to the field to
take off.

NOTE: HIgh wing aircraft only. Low wingers must walk.

Newfound Valley 2N2 in Bristol NH carries the notation: "used as pvt
road look for vehicles" in the AOPA Airport Directory.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:58:00 -0000, Marty Shapiro
wrote:

ET wrote in
:

The guy complaining about the next door airport got me thinking more
about a question that's been rolling around in my head for some time.

I'm not a pilot (yet), don't own a plane, or even any significant
land, but I've kind of wondered..... If I owned enough land somewhere
"could" I just land my plane on an appropriate surface? or would it
have to be a registered airport? Would it matter if it was an
Ultralight, or an "N" registered plane??

What are the rules (federal) that govern this? or is it a state by
state thing (I'm in Texas if it really matters).

I know I here of planes in Alaska that land on a local road, pull up
to the rural gas station to fill up, and take off again (or is that an
Urban Legend?)



I have a copy of the Flyer's Recreation Guide from 1993. It has a
description of Chico Hot Springs, an uncharted "airport" in the town of
Pray, Idaho.

Coord: N-45-21.5, W-110-37.5
Elev: 5200 feet
RWay: 15/33 5000 x 35' asphalt
Freq: CTAF-122.8
Chart: (not charted)

CAUTION: The runway is an automobile highway. Call on 122.8 and ask
Chico Hot Springs to block the road. Land on 15; depart on 33.

"The airport is a county highway that doubles as a runway. ..

Call Chico in advance at 406-333-4933 to alert them of your arrival.
As them to verify that their radio is on and the volume is up. When you
arrive, circle the runway and contact Chico Hot Springs on 122.8 Wait
until they block the road, as required by the county sheriff."

I've never been to Chico Hot Springs, so this is the only information I
have about it.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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EDR wrote in message ...
snip
In Alaska, as you drive down a two lane road, you may see signs that
state "AIRCRAFT HAVE RIGHT OF WAY ON ROAD".


In Alaska I landed on the Dalton highway (actually a 2 lane gravel
road) a few times to go camping. The locals didn't bat an eye, but
the tourists thought I was some kind of lunatic.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

(John Galban) wrote in
om:

EDR wrote in message
... snip
In Alaska, as you drive down a two lane road, you may see signs that
state "AIRCRAFT HAVE RIGHT OF WAY ON ROAD".


In Alaska I landed on the Dalton highway (actually a 2 lane gravel
road) a few times to go camping. The locals didn't bat an eye, but
the tourists thought I was some kind of lunatic.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


I went to an FAA Wings safety seminar last night. The topic was about
flying in Alaska. One of the speakers told me that Alaska permits aircraft
to use all public highways.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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ET wrote in message .. .
The guy complaining about the next door airport got me thinking more about
a question that's been rolling around in my head for some time.

I'm not a pilot (yet), don't own a plane, or even any significant land, but
I've kind of wondered..... If I owned enough land somewhere "could" I just
land my plane on an appropriate surface? or would it have to be a
registered airport? Would it matter if it was an Ultralight, or an "N"
registered plane??

What are the rules (federal) that govern this? or is it a state by state
thing (I'm in Texas if it really matters).

In Texas you may land on your private airstrip or your otherwise
wide-and-long-enough patch of land and don't even have to officially
register it as a private airport, but you can register it as such if
you want it published. You can also land and take-off on any road
that's not a federal highway (US numbered or Interstate) as long as
you do not create a hazard to yourself or any ground traffic when
doing so and as long as there are no local county or city ordinances
enacted against doing so. However, the determination of whether or not
you are not creating a hazard is solely up to the discretion of any
law enforcement officer who might witness your doing so. So if you
want to land your Cub on some farm road in rural Bumfork County, TX
and taxi up to cousin Andy's house and park in his front yard, you can
generally do so as long as Deputy Barney doesn't get his knickers in a
wad over the deal.

(One's Too Many) wrote in
m:

ET wrote in message
.. .
The guy complaining about the next door airport got me thinking more
about a question that's been rolling around in my head for some time.


I'm not a pilot (yet), don't own a plane, or even any significant
land, but I've kind of wondered..... If I owned enough land somewhere
"could" I just land my plane on an appropriate surface? or would it
have to be a registered airport? Would it matter if it was an
Ultralight, or an "N" registered plane??

What are the rules (federal) that govern this? or is it a state by
state thing (I'm in Texas if it really matters).

In Texas you may land on your private airstrip or your otherwise
wide-and-long-enough patch of land and don't even have to officially
register it as a private airport, but you can register it as such if
you want it published. You can also land and take-off on any road
that's not a federal highway (US numbered or Interstate) as long as
you do not create a hazard to yourself or any ground traffic when
doing so and as long as there are no local county or city ordinances
enacted against doing so. However, the determination of whether or not
you are not creating a hazard is solely up to the discretion of any
law enforcement officer who might witness your doing so. So if you
want to land your Cub on some farm road in rural Bumfork County, TX
and taxi up to cousin Andy's house and park in his front yard, you can
generally do so as long as Deputy Barney doesn't get his knickers in a
wad over the deal.


heh... That's pretty funny... (the Dep Barney thing)

Interesting.

So I would imagine this kind of thing would vary by county down here....

I just sent some time on my local counties web site, unfortunatly non of
the county ordinances are posted anywhere.

Oh well.

didn't really have anywhere in particular in mind.

--
ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams