We Are All Spaniards

"Newps" wrote in message
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Last week I heard that 70% of the Brits approved of the war. Was this
in error?

It is about 48% in favour, 43% against, as of Mar 16.
Not much different from what it is in the US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wstam216 .xml

As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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And barely 200 years ago Spain was one of the three (Spain, England,
France), if not THE dominant power(s) and most prosperous nations in the
world. Today they're like a bunch of burned out old hags. They were
never
really invaded, but the destroyed themselves from within. And so it
goes...

You also have to remember that Spain is just one generation
removed from a fascist dictatorship.

Is it even that long? Dictatorship or elected, it takes many generations to
get that our of your system. Notice the hardship the old Soviet bloc is
having coming into the modern world. Several lifetimes of someone running
everyones lives is hard to overcome.

As such, its political
institutions are somewhat fragile and its political class is
immature. The socialists never really expected to win, and
are in a way caught up in their own rhetoric.

Well, as the adage goes, "They made their bed, now let them sleep in it."


That said, the new governments position is certainly irresponsible.
No matter what one might think of Bush/Blair and how we got
there, the question that should be asked is "What would happen
if *all* troops pulled out?". Clearly, the result would be a civil war,
further instability, the possible restoration of the Ba'athist régime,
and the resumption of mass killings. As the new Spanish government
would prefer to analyze the situation by describing the occupation
as "a joke" (so ok, how would you make it better?) and by calling
Blair "a dick head", it is clear that they aren't ready for a place at
the top table.

Some people have to learn all their lessons the hard way. What's the old
line from Santayana about not learning from history?

"Devil's Advocate" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Why is it that people of your ilk can't seem to discuss world events
like
gentlemen?

Maybe because some of the other worldly people in this group get fed up
with watching some of you Americans discuss it like assholes.

Speaking of assholes...got a mirror?

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

Talk to any grunt Private from the US Army home on leave and they will
tell you that every single average Iraqi is thrilled beyond belief that
we did this for them.



Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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They save their pee and call it "beer"?


They saved their precious bodily fluids from fluoridation. Fluoridation is
a communist plot.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Talk to any grunt Private from the US Army home on leave and they will
tell you that every single average Iraqi is thrilled beyond belief that
we did this for them.

I'm sure they are after being on the **** end of the stick for so
long...but, as you said, those are the "average" (whats the Arab equivalent
for Joe Doaks??) people.

Learning to live under liberty as an independant and self-directed people is
not going to be easy, just as Eastern Europe is showing us now, over a dozen
years after the Soviet collapse. All too many there want to run home to
Mama.

I hope they can pull it off -- it might snowball through the region like
Europe did in the late 80's and early 90's.


Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wterr317 .xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

In article , "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:

_NOBODY_ EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISTION!!!

*finally*... gosh I was waiting for it...

--
Bob Noel

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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They save their pee and call it "beer"?


They saved their precious bodily fluids from fluoridation. Fluoridation
is
a communist plot.

I notice the Russians have about the same caliber of dental work as the
Brits.

I used to work with a guy who has recently immigrated from the old USSR. His
dental work was like the old jokes about a redneck with one tooth. And he
was one of the higher-ups, a former (literally) rocket scientist with the
old Soviet space program.

Oh...three weeks after hitting the US his mother filed for Social Security
benefits.

in article , Tom Sixkiller at
wrote on 3/24/04 6:44 PM:


"Tony Cox" wrote in message
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As for the Iraqis, they are 70% vs. 29%, which is a
statistic many of the moaners would do well to remember.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03%2F17%2Fwter
r317.xml

I wonder how many of those 29% were the ones who got bounced from their
positions of power and privilege?

I wonder how many of those 29% have lost a loved one in the current war?