Lost Paperwork?

"Marty" wrote in message
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I just looked at an ad in Trade a plane.
It's a Cessna Cardinal, 1968 (fairly cheap)with no paperwork which means
to
me, no logs.
Besides the obvious, what kind of hassles is there to lost logs?
If I were to purchase this plane, it would be with the intention of doing
a
ground-up resto.after a structural blessing by my A&P.
Say I got it, put in new avionics, new engine, prop overhauled, ADs
complied
with, fresh paint and interior. What else am I faced with? Any insurance
hassles?
I really like the Cardinals and see this as a possible opportunity since
Cessna won't make any more of them.

Marty


Shouldn't be too hard to find a dataplate that comes with complete
paperwork. It's done all the time with vintage and antiques.

If I had the cash I'd buy it asap for a project and nothing more,


"Marty" wrote in message
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I just looked at an ad in Trade a plane.
It's a Cessna Cardinal, 1968 (fairly cheap)with no paperwork which means
to
me, no logs.
Besides the obvious, what kind of hassles is there to lost logs?
If I were to purchase this plane, it would be with the intention of doing
a
ground-up resto.after a structural blessing by my A&P.
Say I got it, put in new avionics, new engine, prop overhauled, ADs
complied
with, fresh paint and interior. What else am I faced with? Any insurance
hassles?
I really like the Cardinals and see this as a possible opportunity since
Cessna won't make any more of them.

Marty

"Marty" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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If you gotta have a Cardinal avoid the 68's. If it has the 150 hp
engine
it
is a real dog.



Hard to believe they put anything less than 180hp in them isn't it?
This one has 180hp with constant speed prop and I'd actually like more
than
that.

I had a 69 with the 180 and fixed prop. The 182 I have now makes a Cardinal
look like the mistake it was.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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Shouldn't be too hard to find a dataplate that comes with complete
paperwork. It's done all the time with vintage and antiques.

That's exactly how my Cardinal was made. We took two damaged Cardinals,
completely rebuilt them and put the data plate from the smashed plane on the
new one because it only had 1200 TT.

(Robert M. Gary) wrote in message . com...

The only thing the insurance co's really are concerned about is the
hours on the engine. If you get an overhaul they'll be happy (they
really only care about SMOH time).

As far as I know, there's only one underwriter that even asks about
engine hours. They only started doing it a couple of years ago and
other companies have not followed suit (unfortunately, I can't recall
the name of the company). I just got quotes from 4 companies and not
one asked me about time SMOH. The standard policies from most of the
underwriters only require that the plane is legally airworthy. That
includes current annuals and ADs.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"John Galban" wrote in message
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(Robert M. Gary) wrote in message
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The only thing the insurance co's really are concerned about is the
hours on the engine. If you get an overhaul they'll be happy (they
really only care about SMOH time).

As far as I know, there's only one underwriter that even asks about
engine hours. They only started doing it a couple of years ago and
other companies have not followed suit (unfortunately, I can't recall
the name of the company). I just got quotes from 4 companies and not
one asked me about time SMOH. The standard policies from most of the
underwriters only require that the plane is legally airworthy. That
includes current annuals and ADs.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

I have never been asked about SMOH either. BTW just got my renewal which
was about 10% lower than last year.

Dave Stadt wrote:

BTW just got my renewal which
was about 10% lower than last year.

The stock market's picked up quite a bit. That's reflected in your rate.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message m...
"John Galban" wrote in message
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(Robert M. Gary) wrote in message
. com...

The only thing the insurance co's really are concerned about is the
hours on the engine. If you get an overhaul they'll be happy (they
really only care about SMOH time).

As far as I know, there's only one underwriter that even asks about
engine hours. They only started doing it a couple of years ago and
other companies have not followed suit (unfortunately, I can't recall
the name of the company). I just got quotes from 4 companies and not
one asked me about time SMOH. The standard policies from most of the
underwriters only require that the plane is legally airworthy. That
includes current annuals and ADs.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

I have never been asked about SMOH either. BTW just got my renewal which
was about 10% lower than last year.

I get asked at each renewal.

"Newps" wrote in message
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"Marty" wrote in message
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"Newps" wrote in message
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If you gotta have a Cardinal avoid the 68's. If it has the 150 hp
engine
it
is a real dog.



Hard to believe they put anything less than 180hp in them isn't it?
This one has 180hp with constant speed prop and I'd actually like more
than
that.

I had a 69 with the 180 and fixed prop. The 182 I have now makes a
Cardinal
look like the mistake it was.




Why call it a mistake Newps?
It's only my opinion but I personally don't think Cessna made a better
looking piston single. To me, and again it's only my personal opinion, all
the other Cessna piston singles look all too much alike. That's not to say
it was a bad move,sales wise they have a selection of piston singles to fit
the majority.

If I want to lift a lot of weight, there is the T-206(my personal favorite
of the Cessna guppies). If I want to just fly the family around there is the
172 or 182 but geeze they are SLOW.

The Cardinal has a high performance airfoil and needs a powerplant to match.
150hp (or even 180hp) is an insult to this aircraft, no doubt.

To each his own but I think Cessna had a diamond in the rough and for
economic (profit) reasons pitched it.
A Card with 200hp+ and CS prop would fit my flying lifestyle to a tee. Other
than that I'll be looking for a Piper.

All I want to do is go (safely) from point A to point B, at the fastest,
most reasonable cost in a 4 place bird.

Marty

"Marty" wrote in message
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Why call it a mistake Newps?

Many, may reasons. Too low to the ground. I'm 6'1" and have to duck and
bend to get in. No good. Didn't like the seating position, reclined like a
foreign car. Headliner too low, hit the top of my headset constantly.


If I want to lift a lot of weight, there is the T-206(my personal favorite
of the Cessna guppies). If I want to just fly the family around there is
the
172 or 182 but geeze they are SLOW.

The Cardinal with the 180 hp engine is the same speed as the 172 with the
180 hp engine. Both are slower than a 182. I have no pants and big tires
on my 182 and am still faster than any 172/177. However that isn't even the
point. Takeoff performance is the point. The 182 blows them both away.
And if you want a 182 to go fast you can put on all the fairings and speed
mods and get about 150 kts TAS on the 230 HP. Much more if you go with 300
HP.



The Cardinal has a high performance airfoil

The 68 and 69 models did, later than that and they had the same basic wing
as a 172.





To each his own but I think Cessna had a diamond in the rough and for
economic (profit) reasons pitched it.

If Cessna hadn't screwed up and sold it with the 150 hp engine and that
****ty tail in 68 the 172 might be as rare as the 175 now. After they
started selling them however the die was cast and it was too late to
recover.



A Card with 200hp+ and CS prop would fit my flying lifestyle to a tee.
Other
than that I'll be looking for a Piper.


My preference is for an off road airplane. The Cardinal has much weaker
gear than the 182, especially that goofy nosewheel. You won't find low wing
Pipers in the mountains and landing on rough strips. I am trying to decide
between putting a 275 HP engine and extended baggage in my plane or
upgrading to a P206.





All I want to do is go (safely) from point A to point B, at the fastest,
most reasonable cost in a 4 place bird.

Then you want a early to mid 60's 35 Bonanza. Buddy of mine has one, very
nice and very fast. He gets about 160 kts on approx 11 gph with the IO-470.