Reagan and AF"1"

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote in message
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Anyone know how much it costs for all of this
infrastructure and support staff etc. to travel
from one location to another.

It is an immense amount of money. A couple of days before the President
arrives the support stuff comes in. You'll have cargo planes full of limos,
suburbans, Blackhawk helicopters, secret service agents, etc. When you see
it happen once from the inside like from an ATC facility it makes perfect
sense that the President wouldn't go to his daughters college graduation.
They would turn an event like that upside down.

Newps wrote:

It is an immense amount of money. A couple of days before the President
arrives the support stuff comes in. You'll have cargo planes full of limos,
suburbans, Blackhawk helicopters, secret service agents, etc.

Yes I can well imagine.

I would also imagine that only the most jaded would begrudge the cost
or the use by the president.

Up here in Canada every time the Prime Minister goes somewhere or
a government plane is used to transport a senior politician or a
Premier at the Provincial level there will be some news organization
using our freedom of information act to find out what the cost of the
flight was, and then squeeling like stuck pigs over that cost.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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Its also little known that "Airfoce 1" is not really A plane. There
are a fleet of planes operated by the president's Airforce
transporation squadron. There are little jets for trips to the vinyard
and medium jets for medium trips to shorter runways. However, everyone
thinks of the 747 (of which there are actually 2). Airforce 1 does not
travel alone either. There are a fleet of C130's that carry things
like the motorcade (the president doesn't need to wait for a rental
car, he brings his bullet proof car with him.


The car travels by C-17.

Shiver Me Timbers wrote in message ...
Newps wrote:

It is an immense amount of money. A couple of days before the President
arrives the support stuff comes in. You'll have cargo planes full of limos,
suburbans, Blackhawk helicopters, secret service agents, etc.

Yes I can well imagine.

I would also imagine that only the most jaded would begrudge the cost
or the use by the president.

Up here in Canada every time the Prime Minister goes somewhere or
a government plane is used to transport a senior politician or a
Premier at the Provincial level there will be some news organization
using our freedom of information act to find out what the cost of the
flight was, and then squeeling like stuck pigs over that cost.

We fixed that problem by running the cost through the Secret Service
and the Military.
In general, I think American's are proud when we see our President
show up somewhere in his giant 747 and group. Its like showing of a
really cool car. He feel proud.

-Robert

Anyone know how much it costs for all of this
infrastructure and support staff etc. to travel
from one location to another.

A lot, but it's really not quantifiable. The air force calls many such
flights as if they were training missions. They aren't, of course, but
if the president stayed home for his entire term, the crews would
still have to make training flights.

It's a very old custom. Franklin Roosevelt had a specially-built car
(and a bullet-proof train that he wouldn't let travel more than 30 mph
because it swayed too much at speed), and the car was sometimes
shipped ahead by the U.S. Navy. Presumably it was also send overland
by rail or truck.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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A couple of days before the President
arrives the support stuff comes in. You'll have cargo planes full of limos,
suburbans, Blackhawk helicopters, secret service agents, etc.

Unless they use several airports, it's not quite that bad. I live
across the bay from the former Pease AFB, which both Bush I and Bush
II use(d) regularly because of the Kennebunk connection, plus of
course the New Hampshire primary. I've only ever seen Air Force One
and a couple of Marine helicopters. Pease gets very little traffic
these days, and I would notice a rush of cargo planes.

But I suppose it's possible they land at another civil or military
airport and the stuff moves overland (or flies, in the case of the
helos).

all the best -- Dan Ford
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But I suppose it's possible they land at another civil or military
airport and the stuff moves overland (or flies, in the case of the
helos).

some of the support aircraft do land at other fields. KBED gets
some even when AF1 or AF2 don't land there.

--
Bob Noel

Cub Driver opined

but my Dad insisted they called it "AF1".
I just said OK to avoid another senseless argument between us.

I'm sure your dad was right, and that "they" -- the newscasters --
called it Air Force One.

The idea that a plane could have a different name, depending on the
passenger, is not one that is easily grasped. It's like having an
ocean liner that's called the QE II only when the queen is on board.

It must be particularly stressful when Air Force One becomes Air Force
Two.

You mean when George W. Bush is aboard?

Sorry, I couldn't help it.


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

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They mentioned on the news that it was not really "Airforce 1" because
Bush did not fly out to California too.



Robert,

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see that portion of the events myself
but my Dad insisted they called it "AF1".
I just said OK to avoid another senseless argument between us.
;-)

Its also little known that "Airfoce 1" is not really A plane. There
are a fleet of planes operated by the president's Airforce
transporation squadron. There are little jets for trips to the vinyard
and medium jets for medium trips to shorter runways. However, everyone
thinks of the 747 (of which there are actually 2). Airforce 1 does not
travel alone either. There are a fleet of C130's that carry things
like the motorcade (the president doesn't need to wait for a rental
car, he brings his bullet proof car with him.

-Robert

OK, Got a question.

If the President flys on an Air Force plane, it's called "Air Force
1". If he flys on a Marine Helicopter, it's "Marine 1". I assume
that a Navy or Army aircraft will be "Army 1" and "Navy 1".

Now, if for some reason he flew in my Cessna 172, what would I use as
a call sign? Since my plane is not owned by the military, would I use
a special call sign? I know the chances of the President flying with
me is *remote*, but I wonder what would be used in this case....

Any ideas?

Not even worth contemplating...

There's no way on earth the Secret Service would let the President fly on
anything other than a military aircraft, if for no other reason than keeping
the communications links "connected".

"Mark" wrote in message
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(Robert M. Gary) wrote in message
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"Marty" wrote in message
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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They mentioned on the news that it was not really "Airforce 1"
because
Bush did not fly out to California too.



Robert,

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't see that portion of the events
myself
but my Dad insisted they called it "AF1".
I just said OK to avoid another senseless argument between us.
;-)

Its also little known that "Airfoce 1" is not really A plane. There
are a fleet of planes operated by the president's Airforce
transporation squadron. There are little jets for trips to the vinyard
and medium jets for medium trips to shorter runways. However, everyone
thinks of the 747 (of which there are actually 2). Airforce 1 does not
travel alone either. There are a fleet of C130's that carry things
like the motorcade (the president doesn't need to wait for a rental
car, he brings his bullet proof car with him.

-Robert

OK, Got a question.

If the President flys on an Air Force plane, it's called "Air Force
1". If he flys on a Marine Helicopter, it's "Marine 1". I assume
that a Navy or Army aircraft will be "Army 1" and "Navy 1".

Now, if for some reason he flew in my Cessna 172, what would I use as
a call sign? Since my plane is not owned by the military, would I use
a special call sign? I know the chances of the President flying with
me is *remote*, but I wonder what would be used in this case....

Any ideas?