OSH Disappointments

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Come on. I mean no disrespect to your professors, and I doubt you have
"cleared" that quasi-quotation with them, but
"...success open to all, requiring only education and hard work" - even
you know that's utter BS. There's simply no debate, at all.


Why is that utter BS?

Steven,

Why is that utter BS?


Because it simply isn't true - and even without having the faintest
idea of where you live (in the US or elsewhere), I can safely say that
one thorough look around at your fellow humans will provide ample proof
of that.

Really, I'm willing to discuss a lot of stuff on the Usenet, but to
even try and debate that statement makes no sense.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:57:43 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

A real ME-109 at the show? I don't think so.
The Hispano Ha-1112 was built in Spain under license from Messerschmitt.
They were initially powered by Hispano-Suiza engines, later by Rolls Royce
Merlins.

Although technically correct, it's kind of like pointing out that the
Corsairs on the field this year weren't built by Chance-Vought. (I believe
they were built under license by Goodyear.)

Does that make them non-Corsairs?

Whatever, the plane was very, VERY cool. It just oozed evil, kinda like
the last scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where the box containing the Ark
burns the swastika off from within...
--
Jay Honeck

Jay, you are technically incorrect here. ;-)

The Ha 1112 has a different engine, different prop, different profile,
different performance, handles differently and sounds different from
the Bf series. Other than similarities in the wing and fuselage, it's
an entirely different airplane from any of the German 109 series
Messerschmitts.

The Goodyear built Corsair on the other hand was a license built F4U.
It's exactly like Honda sending parts for the Accord to the U.S. and
having it assembled here. Same car in every way except that it was
assembled here rather than in Japan.

Corky Scott

"Steve F." wrote:

Remember, Liconln didn't "free" the slaves until almost TWO YEARS
into the civil war. If the war were truly about slavery, then all
northerners of good conscience would have insisted that freeing the
slaves should have been the first order of business.

Actually, he didn't free all of the slaves and freed very few at the time of his
proclamation. The emancipation proclamation freed only slaves in conquered
Confederate territory, and most of the South remained unconquered until the last year
of the war. There was at least one slave State that did not secede, and slavery
remained law in those areas until the Constitution was amended to forbid it.

As for "good conscience", there was near revolt in many units of the Union Army when
that proclamation was made. The vast majority of the troops had joined to
preserve/restore the union and had little sympathy for abolition.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Really, I'm willing to discuss a lot of stuff on the Usenet, but to
even try and debate that statement makes no sense.

Wow. That is an amazing statement. Do you really believe this?

I've met so many hundreds (thousands?) of men and women who have succeeded
SOLELY because of their hard work and education, that it's hard to imagine
any other economic system. For example, I'm no Bill Gates, but I started
with nothing but an education and a good, old-fashioned German-American work
ethic, and yet I have achieved everything I've set out to do. (Well,
almost. I still want to be Mike Rappaport when I grow up! :-)

Attend a few chamber of commerce meetings in any town in America, and you'll
meet thousands and thousands of people with the same story. All you need to
succeed (in this country, anyway) is a good education and hard work.
Everything else will follow, in time.

It must be awful to live somewhere where you can't succeed solely on the
basis of merit. Must be why dozens of people literally die every day,
trying to come to America?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay, you are technically incorrect here. ;-)

*sigh*

Okay.

Suffice it to say that it was a really, really cool Spanish plane, that just
happened to look like every kid's drawing of a Messerschmitt BF (not ME)
109.

;-)

Sadly, we never saw it fly.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Sorry, but, as I said, there's no point in this. If that's your view of
the US, it is IMHO quite narrow indeed. It makes me very sad and angry
to read postings like yours. But to each his own.

Let's just agree to disagree and quarrel about headsets instead.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

If that's your view of
the US, it is IMHO quite narrow indeed. It makes me very sad and angry
to read postings like yours.

Your position is strangely illogical, in the face of overwhelming evidence
to the contrary.

But this is Usenet; believe what you will.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article 5YLSc.291646$Oq2.285942@attbi_s52, Jay Honeck wrote:
any other economic system. For example, I'm no Bill Gates, but I started
with nothing but an education and a good, old-fashioned German-American work

One thing to remember about Bill Gates was that he was essentially a
multimillionaire when he was born. If you've got that much money to
start out with, it's easy to take risks. If Bill Gates lost 500K on his
first business venture, it may be annoying but it's not life
threatening. If most people lost 500K on their first business venture,
they've probably lost everything - including their home. So they can't
take those kinds of risks very easily (although some do).

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Steven,

Why is that utter BS?


Because it simply isn't true - and even without having the faintest
idea of where you live (in the US or elsewhere), I can safely say that
one thorough look around at your fellow humans will provide ample proof
of that.

Really, I'm willing to discuss a lot of stuff on the Usenet, but to
even try and debate that statement makes no sense.


It is true in the US. You're simply misinformed.