Run In With Mr. Edwards

Boy has this gotten off of the boards topic.

Jim I love your posts on maintenance and have learned quite a bit from them
and hope to keep seeing them.

I'm of your generation. I went. I came home with a couple of scars
physically and some to the soul. My readings on the subject, both during my
military career (20 years) and since (reflectively) have indicated that what
I feel about the experiences are no different than the ones felt by those
who returned from the Korean War. The difference is that the Korean War
vets didn't turn on themselves in the national media.

To the ones who feel that there was something "special" about Vietnam that
messed up peoples heads, I had guys in my unit that changed drastically
after Grenada and / or Panama. Some people are just affected that way by
conflict. Why so many from Vietnam? Draft more people, create more
veterans, and the number of individuals with problems goes up.

Enough venting by both sides, I'm off to Virginia for a couple of weeks for
business (KORF) and I'm going to rent a 172 and go shoot some landings at
Kitty Hawk (KFFA).

Y'all have fun too.

Don

"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress
and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

For someone who didn't serve you're pretty arrogant. Why didn't you just
enlist? Why did you watch your friends get shot up and killed and then
take the coward's way out with a deferment? And you blast Jay? I don't
think merely being "subject" to the draft entitles you to criticize Jay.

Otis W
US Army 1969-72


"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress
and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

I wish it didn't have to happen but I think it does. We have entered an era
where almost any disruption to our political process would be seen as a
small victory by one group or another. Political opinions aside - the acting
president is at the greatest risk but even the major candidates could draw
fire.

Kerry and Edwards have a good likelyhood of stepping up. Taking them out
early - before they were in office would severely disrupt our election
process.

I'm sorry that you were delayed. I know that I would be frustrated too.
Prior to 9/11, I could see securing the perimeter, sweep the airport, and
inspect anything that crosses the boundary. In other words, search your
plane and your family and then send you on your way.

Post 9/11, it is conceivalbe that a happy-looking family that has been
searched and found clean, gets in their small aircraft and dive bombs it
into Edward's plane after he gets on board.

I'm sure that the secret service goes overboard. Battling an unknown enemy,
I don't see how they can do anything different.
--
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Travis
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newss9Wc.212699$eM2.189310@attbi_s51...
Jay, weren't you the one who said your life had not changed because of
9/11
paranoia?

No my LIFESTYLE has not changed. (It was Eduardo's statement that the
"new
American lifestyle sucks" that I was responding to...)

In the overall scheme of things, my delay in DSM was a minor
inconvenience.
But it was a stupid, pointless delay nonetheless, and one that deserves
our
attention.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 23 Aug 2004 00:02:36 GMT, (Jay Masino)
wrote in ::

Because, once they've been given the candicacy by their party, they're
too big of a target for any nutcase (or terrorist group) who wants to
effect our election. That's the reason that they're afforded Secret
Service protection.

The name of Robert "Bobby" Kennedy comes to mind. :-(

It makes sense. Kerry and Edwards have very little
say in the situation. One thing they *do* have a say in is whether they
request a moving TFR over them. The Kerry people have NOT requested that,
so we've not been annoyed by additional TFRs related to them.

Perhaps there's hope sanity may yet prevail over the nation.

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:09:19 GMT, "Peter Gottlieb"
wrote in
: :


Just be glad you don't live in an area subject to repeated TFRs and other
restrictions. Those of us in such areas have been raising the alarm for
quite some time but until you get a small taste of what it is like you
really can't understand the feeling.

There is a lot of truth about that phenomenon not only regarding ill
conceived aviation security responses, but to local airport closures,
to military airspace grabs, to irresponsible military operations, to
biased NTSB reports, to ...

Jim, that's a lot of attitude for someone who was almost drafted.

I have no problem with your belief that the war was bad and that Karry was
justitifed in his open criticisms after returning. If you think it was an
unjustified war, then argue that point. If you think it needed to be openly
criticized, then argue that point.

Your statement that, "You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless
you were in the Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up." makes it a laughable rant.

Jim, you would have absolutely no chops to criticize Jay even if you had
actually been drafted into a nightmare of a war. Far less so since you were
almost drafted.
--
-------------------------------
Travis
"Jim Weir" wrote in message
...
Then, Jay, you are a generation behind me. You didn't SWEAT your ass
going to
some rice paddy in Vietnam. You didn't LIVE your life hoping against hope
that
your draft board wouldn't haul your ass out of college and send you with a
rifle
to some country that you couldn't have given a rat's ass less about.

Me? I got lucky. My draft board thought that my work on Apollo was "in
the
national interest" and I got a deferment. The engineer on the next desk
wasn't
so lucky; he came home less his left arm.

You have absolutely no chops to criticize Kerry unless you were in the
Vietnam
draft mix. You were not. Shut the hell up.

Lots of us blasted the behavior of our country at that time. This country
was
wrong. We had no business being over there.

You wanna blast me? Come on. Take a piece of me. So far as I am
concerned you
are a stupid jackass that DIDN'T serve in the military, that WEREN'T
subject to
the draft, and have absolutely no CONCEPT of what either Vietnam, Iraq I
or Iraq
II are all about.

Jim



"Jay Honeck"
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


-No, Kerry was honorable until he went on TV blasting the behavior of his
-country and his fellow soldiers, while the Viet Nam war was in progress
and
-his comrades were still being held prisoner.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

Jay,

John Edwards isn't the President. He isn't the Vice-President. He is
nobody but a run-of-the-mill Senator.


He is a candidate. The purpose of this kind of protection is to make
sure a democratic process can take place with a candidate being voted
for or against, not killed out of the election before it takes place.

As you well know, your country has a (for an established democracy
unusual, one might add) history of attacks on elected presidents or
candidates put up for election. Thus, this kind of protection might make
sense.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:50:56 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote in mQdWc.93789$Lj.58952@fed1read03::


The fact that the "unwashed masses" now view any type of aircraft with a
jaundiced eye is by far the saddest and most disgusting after effect of
9/11.

Just my $0.02...

Jay Beckman
Student Pilot - KCHD
39.3 Hrs ... Nowhere to go but up!

Jay Honeck wrote:
John Edwards isn't the President. He isn't the Vice-President. He is
nobody but a run-of-the-mill Senator.
I have no problem with giving the President of the United States the
tightest possible security. If George Bush had been in Des Moines, I would
have completely understood the treatment I received.
Giving a dime-a-dozen politician this kind of protection, however, is
patently absurd.

Once they're the candidate of their party, there's way too much of a
chance that an assasination attempt could alter our elections. It makes
sense to protect them as if they were already President/Vice President.

--- Jay



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Ron Natalie wrote:

Maybe Jay should consider moving away from Iowa (or the US in general)
if he can't tolerate such things.

Keep in mind that this is the same guy who was saying that nothing's changed since
9/11 a couple weeks ago.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.