TSA - another indignity for permanent residents

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:38:00 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:

Sorry but this article has been done to death and IMO, the author is a glory
seeking crackpot who was / is paranoid.

Agreed.

http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/...t95/index.html

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Steve
E-mail: steve at flyingtigerwebdesign dot com
Hong Kong, 23/09/2004 15:24:23

I did read the IFR all of it, and kind of stupid having a document that
describes flight training as an IFR.. what it if it was an IFR to
describe Instrument flight training? it would be an IFR^^2 ?

I don't think you can get much bureacracy for $130 a pop.. it's gotta
cost more than that!

David Brooks wrote:

"Robert Chambers" wrote in message
m...

What the TSA is trying to say is that since Immigration has done such a
shoddy job of keeping out the bad element that wish to do the country
harm that they are going to take over and re-invent the wheel. I can
only imagine the hassles some folk are going to be subjected to. I
don't think the $130 per candidate is going to cover much of the huge
bureacracy they are going to create. Yet another unfunded mandate that
the taxpayer will end up footing the bill for.


Ah. Read the IFR. Where do you think they came up with $130? They have
actually calculated the recurring cost to the Federal government, and
divided it by the number of applications, and it came to $129.82. Of course
this is an estimate divided by an estimate, and the estimate of number of
fee-generating applications comes from mangling an FAA statistic, but it
looks like they are making an effort to zero-sum it. But oh, lookit, there
is a $3M startup cost that they are not attempting to recover.

They also estimate an annual average cost of $1,500 incurred by the 3,000
flight schools in the economic impact analysis.

-- David Brooks

And just to top it all off ... AOPA doesn't care.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...040923tsa.html

Not even a mention of Permanent Residents. Not even a mention that permanent
residents already went through background checks, finger printing, they are
already on file with the Departement of Homeland Security (no less) ...
nothing.

I am an AOPA member but as far as they are concerned I do not exist.

I might even understand where the TSA is coming from and I might even
appreciate that they are trying to defend this country, since after all, I
live here too and my wife works in Manhattan and I really don't want to go
through another day like 9/11.

But at least, I expected the AOPA to stand up for us and try to make the
point!!

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Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

I agree completely. I'm going to call AOPA tomorrow and find
out why permanent residents are not part of their lobbying effort.



"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
t...
And just to top it all off ... AOPA doesn't care.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...040923tsa.html

Not even a mention of Permanent Residents. Not even a mention that
permanent
residents already went through background checks, finger printing, they
are
already on file with the Departement of Homeland Security (no less) ...
nothing.

I am an AOPA member but as far as they are concerned I do not exist.

I might even understand where the TSA is coming from and I might even
appreciate that they are trying to defend this country, since after all, I
live here too and my wife works in Manhattan and I really don't want to go
through another day like 9/11.

But at least, I expected the AOPA to stand up for us and try to make the
point!!

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
news:FUJ4d.37784$wV.7672@attbi_s54...
I agree completely. I'm going to call AOPA tomorrow and find
out why permanent residents are not part of their lobbying effort.



I will be sending an email to Phil Boyer tonight.

Not sure what good it will do ... but it's worth a try.

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

I just sent an email to Phil Boyer. I'll let you know what his response is.



"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
t...
"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
news:FUJ4d.37784$wV.7672@attbi_s54...
I agree completely. I'm going to call AOPA tomorrow and find
out why permanent residents are not part of their lobbying effort.



I will be sending an email to Phil Boyer tonight.

Not sure what good it will do ... but it's worth a try.

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

Marco Rispoli wrote:

Not sure what good it will do ... but it's worth a try.

You should also mention it to our local AOPA representative, whom you'll be
seeing on an upcoming Thursday for dinner.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/r-ea.html

- Andrew

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
gonline.com...
Marco Rispoli wrote:

Not sure what good it will do ... but it's worth a try.

You should also mention it to our local AOPA representative, whom you'll
be
seeing on an upcoming Thursday for dinner.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/region/r-ea.html

- Andrew


Well well well ... why didn't I think of that?

Yeah I'll get in touch with Bill ...

Thanks Andrew!

--
Marco Rispoli - NJ, USA / PP-ASEL
My on-line aviation community - http://www.thepilotlounge.com

"Marco Rispoli" wrote in message
t...
And just to top it all off ... AOPA doesn't care.

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...040923tsa.html

Not even a mention of Permanent Residents. Not even a mention that
permanent
residents already went through background checks, finger printing, they
are
already on file with the Departement of Homeland Security (no less) ...
nothing.

I am an AOPA member but as far as they are concerned I do not exist.

I made a similar point to Ian Twombly. He has just replied to the effect
that there was a miscommunication internally (I hope he doesn't mind me
publicizing this) and AOPA is certainly including us in its lobbying
efforts. I'll accept that.

-- David Brooks

Marco Rispoli wrote:

Well well well ... why didn't I think of that?

Because I need something to make me look useful in my declining years.

Yeah I'll get in touch with Bill ...

Good idea. In fact, I was thinking after I'd posted my previous note: why
wait for the meeting? Give him a call. But it sounds like you'd already
thought of that. So much for my usefulness grin.

FWIW, there's at least one other "green card PIC" (cute label, that) in both
MAPA and the PFC. Perhaps there are more. I wonder if it's worth
contacting Larry - the fellow behind Surface Winds - in hopes of an article
on the matter.

- Andrew