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Ron Natalie wrote in
m:

BTIZ wrote:
The Prez stated in the last debate.. there is no draft.. we need
people who want to be there

Who says the reservists/guardmen called up "want to be there."

They WANT to be in the guard/reserve, or at least that's what they wanted
when they either signed up to begin with, or took whatever
promotion/college grant/etc. that got them there in the first place. While
many may have had the impression that the guard or reserve was a free ride,
nobody twisted thier arm.

BeaglePig

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
C J Campbell wrote:
No Republican President has instituted a draft since Abraham Lincoln
during
the Civil War. Democrats, however, cannot imagine fighting a war without
a
draft.

Well, it seems that during most of our shooting wars we haven't had a
republican president. And during the one we did have one, he didn't
do anything to stop the already existing draft.

From
http://college.hmco.com/history/read...nscription.htm
With the draft so controversial, Congress came under increased pressure
either to reform it or to eliminate it. Supported by many conservatives,
Gen. Lewis B. Hershey, the director of Selective Service since 1941, blocked
any changes until 1969, including the 1967 recommendations for equity and
national uniformity from a presidential commission headed by former
assistant attorney general Burke Marshall. President Richard M. Nixon, after
criticizing the draft in his 1968 campaign, ended new occupational and
dependency deferments, instituted an annual draft lottery among
eighteen-year-olds (beginning in December 1969), removed General Hershey,
and appointed a commission, headed by former secretary of defense Thomas
Gates, which in 1970 recommended an All-Volunteer Armed Force (avf) with a
stand-by draft for emergency use.

Nixon reduced draft calls while gradually withdrawing U.S. troops, but his
dispatch of American units across the border into Cambodia in 1970 led to
massive public protests. Only reluctantly did Congress in 1971 extend the
draft for two more years. The lawmakers also eliminated student deferments
and voted a massive ($2.4 billion) pay increase for the lower ranks in order
to achieve an avf by mid-1973. During the 1972 election campaign, Nixon cut
draft calls to 50,000 and stopped forcing draftees to go to Vietnam. On
January 27, 1973, the day a cease-fire was announced, the administration
stopped drafting, six months before induction authority expired on July 1,
1973.

Compulsory draft registration, which President Gerald Ford suspended in
1975, was resumed in 1980 by President Jimmy Carter in reaction to the
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. President Ronald Reagan extended it in 1982
and prosecuted a few of those who refused to register (estimated at 500,000
between 1980 and 1984)

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
C J Campbell wrote:
No Republican President has instituted a draft since Abraham Lincoln
during
the Civil War. Democrats, however, cannot imagine fighting a war without
a
draft.

Well, it seems that during most of our shooting wars we haven't had a
republican president. And during the one we did have one, he didn't
do anything to stop the already existing draft.

From
http://college.hmco.com/history/read...nscription.htm
With the draft so controversial, Congress came under increased pressure
either to reform it or to eliminate it. Supported by many conservatives,
Gen. Lewis B. Hershey, the director of Selective Service since 1941, blocked
any changes until 1969, including the 1967 recommendations for equity and
national uniformity from a presidential commission headed by former
assistant attorney general Burke Marshall. President Richard M. Nixon, after
criticizing the draft in his 1968 campaign, ended new occupational and
dependency deferments, instituted an annual draft lottery among
eighteen-year-olds (beginning in December 1969), removed General Hershey,
and appointed a commission, headed by former secretary of defense Thomas
Gates, which in 1970 recommended an All-Volunteer Armed Force (avf) with a
stand-by draft for emergency use.

Nixon reduced draft calls while gradually withdrawing U.S. troops, but his
dispatch of American units across the border into Cambodia in 1970 led to
massive public protests. Only reluctantly did Congress in 1971 extend the
draft for two more years. The lawmakers also eliminated student deferments
and voted a massive ($2.4 billion) pay increase for the lower ranks in order
to achieve an avf by mid-1973. During the 1972 election campaign, Nixon cut
draft calls to 50,000 and stopped forcing draftees to go to Vietnam. On
January 27, 1973, the day a cease-fire was announced, the administration
stopped drafting, six months before induction authority expired on July 1,
1973.

Compulsory draft registration, which President Gerald Ford suspended in
1975, was resumed in 1980 by President Jimmy Carter in reaction to the
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. President Ronald Reagan extended it in 1982
and prosecuted a few of those who refused to register (estimated at 500,000
between 1980 and 1984)

"BeaglePig" wrote in message
...
[...] While
many may have had the impression that the guard or reserve was a free
ride,
nobody twisted thier arm.

No, no one did. However, someone did twist their arm to get them to stay
well beyond their expected commitment.

"BeaglePig" wrote in message
...
[...] While
many may have had the impression that the guard or reserve was a free
ride,
nobody twisted thier arm.

No, no one did. However, someone did twist their arm to get them to stay
well beyond their expected commitment.

Evidently the person doing the complaining about reservists and being held
over on active duty has 1. Never served in the US military, or 2. Did not
read that piece of paper when they signed up. I would guess it is the 1st. I
have a nephew that was held into active duty serving in Iraq. We wish he
could be home now, but he joined the Army....not the campfire girls. To
intend on joining the US armed forces and then say well "Why do I have to
fight" is kind of like saying "I intend on going to Disney World , but I
refuse to listen to "It's A Small World" while I am there." Just DUMBBBBBB!
HAHA

Patrick

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
C J Campbell wrote:
No Republican President has instituted a draft since Abraham Lincoln
during
the Civil War. Democrats, however, cannot imagine fighting a war
without
a
draft.

Well, it seems that during most of our shooting wars we haven't had a
republican president. And during the one we did have one, he didn't
do anything to stop the already existing draft.

From

http://college.hmco.com/history/read...nscription.htm
With the draft so controversial, Congress came under increased pressure
either to reform it or to eliminate it. Supported by many conservatives,
Gen. Lewis B. Hershey, the director of Selective Service since 1941,
blocked
any changes until 1969, including the 1967 recommendations for equity and
national uniformity from a presidential commission headed by former
assistant attorney general Burke Marshall. President Richard M. Nixon,
after
criticizing the draft in his 1968 campaign, ended new occupational and
dependency deferments, instituted an annual draft lottery among
eighteen-year-olds (beginning in December 1969), removed General Hershey,
and appointed a commission, headed by former secretary of defense Thomas
Gates, which in 1970 recommended an All-Volunteer Armed Force (avf) with a
stand-by draft for emergency use.

Nixon reduced draft calls while gradually withdrawing U.S. troops, but his
dispatch of American units across the border into Cambodia in 1970 led to
massive public protests. Only reluctantly did Congress in 1971 extend the
draft for two more years. The lawmakers also eliminated student deferments
and voted a massive ($2.4 billion) pay increase for the lower ranks in
order
to achieve an avf by mid-1973. During the 1972 election campaign, Nixon
cut
draft calls to 50,000 and stopped forcing draftees to go to Vietnam. On
January 27, 1973, the day a cease-fire was announced, the administration
stopped drafting, six months before induction authority expired on July 1,
1973.

Compulsory draft registration, which President Gerald Ford suspended in
1975, was resumed in 1980 by President Jimmy Carter in reaction to the
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. President Ronald Reagan extended it in
1982
and prosecuted a few of those who refused to register (estimated at
500,000
between 1980 and 1984)

Evidently the person doing the complaining about reservists and being held
over on active duty has 1. Never served in the US military, or 2. Did not
read that piece of paper when they signed up. I would guess it is the 1st. I
have a nephew that was held into active duty serving in Iraq. We wish he
could be home now, but he joined the Army....not the campfire girls. To
intend on joining the US armed forces and then say well "Why do I have to
fight" is kind of like saying "I intend on going to Disney World , but I
refuse to listen to "It's A Small World" while I am there." Just DUMBBBBBB!
HAHA

Patrick

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
C J Campbell wrote:
No Republican President has instituted a draft since Abraham Lincoln
during
the Civil War. Democrats, however, cannot imagine fighting a war
without
a
draft.

Well, it seems that during most of our shooting wars we haven't had a
republican president. And during the one we did have one, he didn't
do anything to stop the already existing draft.

From

http://college.hmco.com/history/read...nscription.htm
With the draft so controversial, Congress came under increased pressure
either to reform it or to eliminate it. Supported by many conservatives,
Gen. Lewis B. Hershey, the director of Selective Service since 1941,
blocked
any changes until 1969, including the 1967 recommendations for equity and
national uniformity from a presidential commission headed by former
assistant attorney general Burke Marshall. President Richard M. Nixon,
after
criticizing the draft in his 1968 campaign, ended new occupational and
dependency deferments, instituted an annual draft lottery among
eighteen-year-olds (beginning in December 1969), removed General Hershey,
and appointed a commission, headed by former secretary of defense Thomas
Gates, which in 1970 recommended an All-Volunteer Armed Force (avf) with a
stand-by draft for emergency use.

Nixon reduced draft calls while gradually withdrawing U.S. troops, but his
dispatch of American units across the border into Cambodia in 1970 led to
massive public protests. Only reluctantly did Congress in 1971 extend the
draft for two more years. The lawmakers also eliminated student deferments
and voted a massive ($2.4 billion) pay increase for the lower ranks in
order
to achieve an avf by mid-1973. During the 1972 election campaign, Nixon
cut
draft calls to 50,000 and stopped forcing draftees to go to Vietnam. On
January 27, 1973, the day a cease-fire was announced, the administration
stopped drafting, six months before induction authority expired on July 1,
1973.

Compulsory draft registration, which President Gerald Ford suspended in
1975, was resumed in 1980 by President Jimmy Carter in reaction to the
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. President Ronald Reagan extended it in
1982
and prosecuted a few of those who refused to register (estimated at
500,000
between 1980 and 1984)

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Evidently the person doing the complaining about reservists and being held
over on active duty has 1. Never served in the US military, or 2. Did not
read that piece of paper when they signed up. I would guess it is the 1st.
I
have a nephew that was held into active duty serving in Iraq. We wish he
could be home now, but he joined the Army....not the campfire girls. To
intend on joining the US armed forces and then say well "Why do I have to
fight" is kind of like saying "I intend on going to Disney World , but I
refuse to listen to "It's A Small World" while I am there." Just
DUMBBBBBB!
HAHA

Hey! I go to Disneyland and absolutely refuse to listen to "It's A Small
World!" That thing counts as cruel and unusual.

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Evidently the person doing the complaining about reservists and being held
over on active duty has 1. Never served in the US military, or 2. Did not
read that piece of paper when they signed up. I would guess it is the 1st.
I
have a nephew that was held into active duty serving in Iraq. We wish he
could be home now, but he joined the Army....not the campfire girls. To
intend on joining the US armed forces and then say well "Why do I have to
fight" is kind of like saying "I intend on going to Disney World , but I
refuse to listen to "It's A Small World" while I am there." Just
DUMBBBBBB!
HAHA

Hey! I go to Disneyland and absolutely refuse to listen to "It's A Small
World!" That thing counts as cruel and unusual.

In article , "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

No, no one did. However, someone did twist their arm to get them to stay
well beyond their expected commitment.

who?

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Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.