What can I log as XC time?

1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

Bob wrote:

1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

All but the 5 hrs if you're worried about it. The rest of us log it
all. I log it ABC-ABD-ABC, on the same date.



2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

To be legal as a cross country you have to land at an airport more than
50 miles away. Flying 75 miles out and then back without landing
doesn't count. It's a stupid rule but that's what it is.

What newps said. The FAA doesn't care about your "hangar" airport, just the
airport you depart from, wherever it is. Read the Part 61 FAQs for more
details on what constitutes a departure airport.

Bob Gardner

"Bob" wrote in message
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1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

"Bob" wrote in message
...
1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

I don't think the FARs give unambiguous answers to those questions. I think
we just have to use common sense to discern the intent of the regs. I 'd say
that flying locally in sight-seeing circles doesn't count, even if it occurs
in the middle of an XC flight, unless the sightseeing time can't readily be
separated out (that is, I'd probably count an hour of sight-seeing circling
that occurred, without landing, in the middle of a 100nm leg). But if you're
making steady progress from one point to another that's more than 50nm away,
then I'd count every leg, even on a day when you advance less than 50nm.

--Gary

"Newps" wrote in message
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To be legal as a cross country you have to land at an airport more than
50 miles away.

No, you just have to land at an airport other than the one you departed
from. The 50 nm requirement is for the cross country to count towards
certain certificates and ratings.

"Bob" wrote in message
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1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?


You can log whatever you think of as a flight.

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?

None of it. If you don't land at another airport, it is not a cross country.
If the other airport is not a straight line distance of 50 nm from the
airport of departure, it doesn't count for most ratings. Theoretically, it
is possible to fly the 150 nm cross country with landings at three airports
for private pilot without ever getting more than 50 nm from the original
airport of departure, but that is a little ridiculous.

C J Campbell wrote:

"Newps" wrote in message
...

To be legal as a cross country you have to land at an airport more than
50 miles away.


No, you just have to land at an airport other than the one you departed
from. The 50 nm requirement is for the cross country to count towards
certain certificates and ratings.

We're talking about the 50 mile requirement for a cross country. That
was his specific question. He needs to build time. Now, you want to
fly one mile to another airport and log it as cross country that's fine.
But it's irrelavant to the question that was asked.

Bob wrote in
:

1) I keep my plane in a hangar at an airport more than 50
nm from the airport nearest my home. I decide to fly it
home for a week (1 hr), and tie it down. I fly locally for
that week (5 hrs), then back to my hangar airport (1 hr).
How much of that can I log as XC time usable for a rating?

2) I decide to take a long multi-day trip. Most days I fly
far more than 50 nm (25 hrs). Some days I fly "locally" to
see the sights and return to the same airport (10 hrs) that
is more than 50 nm from home. Some days I make only a
little progress and land less than 50 nm from the airport of
the previous day, but much farther than 50 nm from my hangar
airport (5hrs). How much of that can I log as XC time
usable for a rating?



Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Therefore, your local flights away from your home airport will not count as
xc time because it did not land at an airport other then the point of
departure.


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Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
. 5...

Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure

Where does it say that?