Election saturation

On 20 Oct 2004 12:18:53 -0700, (John Galban)
wrote:

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message ink.net...

I wonder how they manage in Alaska. I'm sure plenty of the planes that go
into mountainsides up there received briefings that didn't say, "Don't fly
there today." Alaskans might not sue but I'm sure the families of all the
tourists who go up there are less understanding.

You touched on another sore spot I have with current AFSS system.
"VFR not recommended". After the FSS were consolidated in Arizona, I
started getting "VFR not recommended" statements quite often on
flights between Phoenix and Southern New Mexico (I average one or two
a month). On one flight, the vis was reported in excess of 20 miles
with an overcast layer 2,000 ft. above my proposed cruising altitude.
The briefer gave me a VNR. When I asked for the basis for this
recommendation, he told me that it was their policy to say VNR anytime
there was mountain obscuration, even if it would not affect the
planned flight. In my case, there was a single 10,000 ft. peak that
might be obscured, south of my route. I later talked to the
supervisor who comfirmed that this was their policy and it was in
place to cover their butts. I asked him if he'd ever heard of the boy
who cried "wolf". He didn't have an answer for that.

I haven't seen a benefit to talking to a live briefer in a long
time. The exception being the specialists in Fligh****ch. They're
still willing to offer meaningful interpretations of the local weather
situation. I wonder how long that will last.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

I remember very well something that my CFI told me when I was training
and was concerned about being told VFR not recommended. She told me
that if I stayed on the ground everytime they told me that, I would
never be flying. I live in the Philly area and I can tell you that
she would be right, particularly in the summer. The boy who cried
"wolf" is a good analogy for me because I just don't llisten to that
statement anymore. I'll take the information and make my own decision
based upon what I see.
Rich Russell

Yesterday, I was signing up for DSL with SBC and asked the tech guy
where he was. "India" was the response.
Isn't there some American on welfare that could do that job from home?

No.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Art Johnson wrote:

Yesterday, I was signing up for DSL with SBC and asked the tech guy
where he was. "India" was the response.
Isn't there some American on welfare that could do that job from home?

Not likely.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

John Galban wrote:

You touched on another sore spot I have with current AFSS system.
"VFR not recommended".

I pretty much quit listening to that after the first time I heard it. Got a briefing
for what seemed to me to be pretty good weather (and I had less than 200 hours at the
time), followed by "VFR not recommended". When I asked why, I was told because there
was a chance of icing in clouds. Excuse me?

Since then, I always ask why and then make my own decision.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
news:3azdd.161720$He1.154998@attbi_s01...

Interesting observations. I too was recently told "VFR not recommended" in
circumstances that didn't call for it. I was flying from BED west to 7B2.

Maybe some day we should get together all the instrument-rated pilots and
regardless of weather, have a chosen day where *everybody* flies and files.
I suspect you'd have a real grade-A mess on your hands, particularly at the
many Class-C fields where you have a heavy mix of GA and airline traffic.
Just to prove the point that VFR benefits the system as well as the
pilots...

-cwk.

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...

Maybe some day we should get together all the instrument-rated pilots and
regardless of weather, have a chosen day where *everybody* flies and
files.
I suspect you'd have a real grade-A mess on your hands, particularly at
the
many Class-C fields where you have a heavy mix of GA and airline traffic.
Just to prove the point that VFR benefits the system as well as the
pilots...


That statement would be probably better said in Class E airspace. ATC
already has to work VFR aircraft in Class C airspace.

(Art Johnson) wrote in message . com...

Yesterday, I was signing up for DSL with SBC and asked the tech guy
where he was. "India" was the response.
Isn't there some American on welfare that could do that job from home?

There is possibly a qualified tech on welfare that could do that
job. The problem is that he would have to take a pay cut from welfare
in order to compete with the guy in India.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
ink.net...

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...

Maybe some day we should get together all the instrument-rated pilots
and
regardless of weather, have a chosen day where *everybody* flies and
files.
I suspect you'd have a real grade-A mess on your hands, particularly at
the
many Class-C fields where you have a heavy mix of GA and airline
traffic.
Just to prove the point that VFR benefits the system as well as the
pilots...


That statement would be probably better said in Class E airspace. ATC
already has to work VFR aircraft in Class C airspace.

Yes, but in that case most of us are happy to take visual approaches and all
the shortcuts commensurate with that. If we all asked for the full ILS
eventually we'd back the lines up.

-cwk.

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
nk.net...

That statement would be probably better said in Class E airspace. ATC
already has to work VFR aircraft in Class C airspace.


Yes, but in that case most of us are happy to take visual approaches and
all
the shortcuts commensurate with that. If we all asked for the full ILS
eventually we'd back the lines up.


If you asked for the full ILS under those conditions your request would be
denied.

Art Johnson ) wrote:
:
: Yesterday, I was signing up for DSL with SBC and asked the tech guy
: where he was. "India" was the response.
:

True...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?R1BC539E4
A lively chat with 'Floyd'

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
file=/chronicle/archive/2003/02/19/BU92987.DTL&type=business
A lively chat with 'Floyd'


http://makeashorterlink.com/?I26152E83
SBC's 'Floyd' attracts PUC's eye

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
file=/chronicle/archive/2003/02/21/BU227355.DTL&type=business
SBC's 'Floyd' attracts PUC's eye


:
: Isn't there some American on welfare that could do that job from home?
:

Probably, but not for what someone in India makes.

Most of the U.S. welfare hotlines are answered in India...

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y2FF53F29
Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offsho
How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts

The original link, wrapped to 2 lines:

http://www.washtech.org/reports/TaxDollarsAtWork/
offshoring_finaltext_pdf.pdf
Your Tax Dollars At Work...Offsho
How Foreign Outsourcing Firms Are Capturing State Government Contracts

"...Interviews with EBT officials in every state and the District of
Columbia reveal that:

o Before the offshoring controversy began, the call centers for 42 states
and the District of Columbia were operating offshore. In most cases,
this occurred because the states gave EBT contracts to Citibank
Electronic Financial Services, which in turn subcontracted the call
center work to an Indian firm called MsourcE. (In 2003 Citibank sold
the business to J.P. Morgan Chase, which continued to use MsourcE.)
A smaller number of states ended up with offshore call centers through
their EBT contracts with eFunds Corporation or Affiliated Computer
Services Inc.

o As a result of the controversy, one state (New Jersey) has brought its
call center back to the United States, and five states (Arizona, Kansas,
North Carolina, Oregon and Wisconsin) are planning to do the same.

o Eight states (Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Ohio, Texas,
and Wyoming) avoided the use of offshore call centers because they hired
EBT contractors that used domestic facilities."



--Jerry Leslie
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