Female pilot accident rates

"CZ" wrote in message . com...

This is the "MIR" for the famous Kara Hultgreen crash during a landing
attempt at USS Abraham Lincoln on October 25th, 1994.

http://www.panix.com/~baldwin/hultgreen_mir.txt

Thanks, I read the whole thing before posting to the thread.
I skipped some of the formalities, but I think it's clear what
led to the crash. How many female F-14 pilots are there?

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"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
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(Rick Durden) wrote in message
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There is very little data available on the subject, largely because
there are so few women who are pilots (about 6% of all pilots, a lower
proportion than that of professional pilots).

Which goes along with my observation that women are involved in more
than 6% of accidents, at least the ones that make the news.

No, that isn't your "observation". Rather, it's your unsupported
speculation. You listed seven crashes spanning thirteen years! Do you
actually believe those seven constitute "more than 6% of accidents", or even
6% of "the ones that make the news", over the past thirteen years?

--Gary

"NoPoliticsHere" wrote in message
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(Schlomo Lipchitz) wrote in message
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Delta Airlines had a couple of female pilots sitting at home getting
full pay - one of which I flew with personally. They were fired for
incompetence. But when they threatened to sue for sexual
discrimination, Delta opted to just pay them rather that go through
the negative publicity. And that's a fact Jack!

But schlomo, can't you see that the PC spoonfed milksops here aren't
interested in facts like this? Such things are not allowed on their
radar screens, at least publicly. They behave as told.

As a proud fascist right-wing capitalist pig, what I'd like to know is,
what's yer point? We've already allowed them to fly planes, drive cars, own
property, even vote, so what precisely is it you would like to see done
about the scourge of chick pilots?

-cwk.

"Tien Dao" wrote in message
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I would like to see the research not for the purpose
of NOT hiring women or the like, but the see what differences in error
making actually exists between the two sexes. Maybe both sexes can learn
from their genetic predispositions and be on the look out more carefully.

Even if there were genetic predispositions of the sort you're speculating
about, I don't see how it would help to be on the lookout as you suggest.
Wouldn't it make more sense for each of us to ascertain (with the help of
our instructors and examiners) our own individual strengths and weaknesses,
rather than pretending that we each had a skill set that matches the
statistical mean for our gender?

By analogy, there is a genetic correlation between gender and height. But
knowing this correlation doesn't help us to be on the lookout for what size
clothing we should buy. You want to buy clothing that fits you, not
clothing that fits the average person of your gender.

--Gary

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(NoPoliticsHere) writes:
"CZ" wrote in message . com...

This is the "MIR" for the famous Kara Hultgreen crash during a landing
attempt at USS Abraham Lincoln on October 25th, 1994.

http://www.panix.com/~baldwin/hultgreen_mir.txt

Thanks, I read the whole thing before posting to the thread.
I skipped some of the formalities, but I think it's clear what
led to the crash. How many female F-14 pilots are there?

"I skipped the formalities" = "I couldn't understand it on the best
day I ever had."
Here's what it said:
The stuck bleed valve on the left engine turned what would have
been a fairly minor correction into a compete loss of thrust from that
engine at a critical time. When you add in the lack of information
and training (As in it wasn't in the NATOPS (Dash-One, Pilot's
Operating Handbook), nor was it taught at the F-14 RTU) about flying
around the boat single-engine. That's a pretty finicky place in a
TF30 powered F-14. If the pilot had been trained to recognize what
was going on, and take the proper corrective action, the crash migh
not have occurred. The sex of the pilot makes no difference.

Note the Recommendations - Section 13.
The first two recommendations are immediate inspection of all bleed
air valves in the fleet, and replacement of the bleed valves with a
redesigned part.

After that, the recommendations are to add information on single
engine failures in landing configuration to the NATOPS, and actually
train for engie failures in landing configurtation both in the
Replacement Training Unit and in the Fleet squadrons.

Understatement of the Previous Century:
"MP's ejection system worked as designed until water impact damage
interrupted normal operation."

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

on the hole, women have had far less stick time than men.

Please let it be noted that I do not subscribe to that view, and I would
take great exception to the person that applied that to me!

Hehehehehe.
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José Herculano

Peter Stickney wrote:

The sex of the pilot makes no difference.

Only to those who think it does, and unfortunately, there are still plenty of
those people around.

Ever notice, in some news reports of incidents or accidents, that when it's a
male pilot, they talk about him simply as "the pilot"; when it's a woman, they
are compelled to say, "the female pilot", as if that changes the story? One
sentiment in this thread sort of explains why this topic even exists -- a
sentence that began with: "We've *allowed* them [women] to ..." drive cars,
vote, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps tongue-in-cheek, but nevertheness, it is still
very much a prevailing attitude, even in today's supposedly enlightened times.

Example: Man tells woman, "Listen to what your airplane is telling you." Woman
later says, "I'm not flying this airplane, it is SHOUTING maintenance issues
loud and clear." Man replies: "Nice that you're so connected with the airplane
that you hear it talking, but it's JUST a machine!" Second example: Woman flies
an airplane and squawks unresponsive nosewheel steering. She is told it is
"within normal range." Man flies same airplane next, comes back and squawks
unresponsive nosewheel steering. The plane is then grounded and the nosewheel
steering is replaced. Third example: Woman flies airplane and describes
excessively uneven fuel burn between left and right fuel tanks--response from
male airplane owner: "Just fly with the other wing lower."

There are still many in aviation who don't take women seriously, and when an
incident or accident occurs involving a woman, are quick to draw unfounded
conclusions that sex of the pilot was a factor. Too bad, with as far as other
things have evolved, *some* men's attitudes about women are still in the Dark
Ages.

José Herculano wrote:
on the hole, women have had far less stick time than men.

Please let it be noted that I do not subscribe to that view, and I
would take great exception to the person that applied that to me!

Ok, that obviously didn't come out right!

What I MEANT was... Oh, never mind. No use digging in even deeper!

Peter Stickney wrote:

"I skipped the formalities" = "I couldn't understand it on the best
day I ever had."
Here's what it said:

----snipped----

Your rough translation of course, not theirs. But the big
noticeable thing about your post is your VERY selective cutting
and pasting. I thought about doing some cutting and pasting
of my own from the report but decided why bother. Anyone can
read the report for themselves. One does not have to be a military
pilot to clearly see that MP was the primary cause of this accident.

Her responses and general incompetence were the primary cause. And
there was of course the fact that this was her **7th** crash! Which
is another little tidbit you chose to ignore. IMO, you're just another
PC milksop.

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C Kingsbury wrote:

As a proud fascist right-wing capitalist pig, what I'd like to know is,
what's yer point? We've already allowed them to fly planes, drive cars, own
property, even vote, so what precisely is it you would like to see done
about the scourge of chick pilots?

That's easy. No special allowances for gender. Female pilots should
be held to the same standards as the guys. If that means two females
in one cockpit, so be it, but make it equitable.

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