Can I fly the NY VFR corridor w/o a XPNDR?

ospam (Rosspilot) wrote:

Simple question. Can I fly the NY VFR corridor in a
transponderless aircraft that meets the exception
requirements of 91.215 (no electrical system)? It looks
like the answer is yes, provided I stay low enough (below
500' as I turn the Lady). Any new TFR or other restrictions
on this? Any good intros on doing it (freq's. suggested
reporting points, etc.) Thanks.

I'm not so sure about transponder-less a/c inside the 30 nm ring. I would
check on that.

I did check, that's why I said I met the 91.215 exception
req't.

"Toks Desalu" wrote:

You cannot enter 30nm ring without a transponder.

Yes I can. My plane has no electrical systema nd I'm exempt
as I said. I fly in the 30 nm veil all the time. This was
just an extreme case, so I thought I'd see if there was
anything I was missing.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

As I read that, he can run the corridor if he wants to. That's outside the class B
airspace.

That's how I read it too. Anyone do this? Anyone have a
terminal chart and can verify that I'd have to go to 500' or
lower, or is there a sliver of 70/11 or higher east of the
Lady that I can't see?

"Marc J. Zeitlin" wrote:

This says nothing about the whether it's a good idea to fly NORDO within
the corridor - I'd be a bit hesitant.

I'm not NORDO, just negative transponder so I can't get into
the Class B.

I fly in the 30 nm veil all the time. This was
just an extreme case, so I thought I'd see if there was
anything I was missing.

What i was worried about was someone spotting me on primary
radar, not knowing the FAR's and thinking "No transponder,
30 nm veil, approaching 9-11 ground zero - call out the
F-16's" There's no way for anyone to tell from radar that
I'm a legal exception to the transponder rules.

If I do fly the corridor (presuming no one comes up with a
reason why it's illegal) would you call anyone first (who
and say what?) or just figure it's legal, so why should I?

Mike wrote:

It's a bit diffficult to see, but my sectional appears to
say that the Class B is 70/+05 over the Lady. I know I'll
need an NY Terminal Chart, but I'm in the planning stages.
Is the CBAS higher than 500' there?

The floor of the class B is 1,100' over the lady. There's a point of land on the
Jersey side that's the closest point of the riverbank to the statue. The floor dips
to 500' at that point. Since you need to be at least 1,000' AGL if you get over land,
the 500' floor is sort of a moot point. The TAC will make it clear to you, but -- if
you come in over the Narrows bridge at 1,200 to 1,500', drop below 1,100' and make a
beeline for the lady, shoot the gap between the Jersey shore and the lady and Ellis
Island, staying between 600' and 1,100', you'll be fine. Stray too much to the left
of that beeline, you run the risk of getting into the 500' floor area.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Mike wrote:

That's how I read it too. Anyone do this? Anyone have a
terminal chart and can verify that I'd have to go to 500' or
lower, or is there a sliver of 70/11 or higher east of the
Lady that I can't see?

Most of NY harbor is under an 1,100' floor. This extends from the Jersey shore just
to the west of the Lady nearly to Brooklyn. There's a sliver of 1,500' floor along
the Brooklyn shore that extends to the Holland tunnel.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

That's how I read it too. Anyone do this? Anyone have a
terminal chart and can verify that I'd have to go to 500' or
lower, or is there a sliver of 70/11 or higher east of the
Lady that I can't see?

On the NY Terminal chart I have, there is a sliver of 70/+11 over the bay. The statue of liberty appears to be within that sliver (though at the edge of a 70/+05 piece, so I wouldn't circle it). The bottom of the Hudson (North of the Lady) is 70/15
left over from Brooklyn, the middle of the Hudson is 70/+11, and a bit North of the Washington Bridge you get 70/15 again until halfway to the TZ bridge, where it's 70/30. Going South, near the VZ Bridge it's 70/15, so if you stay below 1000 you'll
be outside the class B.

It's a nice trip. I do highly reccomend radio contact with other aircraft, so grab a handheld, listen, and self-announce.

Jose
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Is the CBAS higher than 500' there?

The floor of the class B is 1,100' over the lady.

Thanks. I managed to find a current NY TAC and can see the
route a lot better now. I suppose it's time to set up the
GPS, make some notes on reporting points and go flyin'

I suppose it's time to set up the
GPS

For a trip down the Hudson? No. Get the local chart, mark it with whatever will stand out, and keep your eyes out the window. Watch for aluminum and enjoy the view!

Put a sticky on the GPS.

Jose
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