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"Roger" wrote in message
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I'm not so sure. According to the news the other night that element
was a major voting block for Bush. How much control they have over
the party platform, I don't know, but they are a force with which to
recon and they are growing all the time.

Technically, they have no control. But honestly, why would a party that
claims to be "conservative" (it was the Radical Republicans that argued for
ending slavery, for crying out loud..."conservativism" in its purest form,
IMHO) all of the sudden swing around and start wanting to restrict
individual's behavior?

The Republican Party is strongly against legalizing gay marriage and
abortion, is strongly in favor of prayer and religious references in schools
and government (but only Christian prayer and references, naturally), and
there's even a pretty good movement that's been going for the last couple of
decades to teach the book of Genesis in science classes.

For a party that claims to be "conservative", they have swung about as far
way out the other direction as is possible, on several issues, all of which
directly related to personal liberties. Of course, they are still in favor
of businesses being able to do whatever they want.

Basically, the Republican Party is only "conservative" when there's money in
it for them and their own. Otherwise, they've been whoring themselves out
to the Bible Belt for a long while already.

The correlation between the Republican Party's faith-based lawmaking and
Christian evangelical and fundamentalist groups is well-documented. Anyone
who thinks it's just some old canard has their head in the sand.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Stefan" wrote in message
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what we're doing in Iraq, there having been no proven connection
between
terrorism and Iraq.

Yes, there is. I'd surely call disregarding international law, attacking
and invading a country without a reason and killing thousands of
innocent
civilians terrorism.

Yeah, sorry...I should have been more specific. "No proven connection
prior
to our invasion of Iraq between terrorism by Islamic radicals and Iraq".


Well yes, actually, there was a proven connection even during Clinton's
time. Saddam regularly paid bounties to the families of suicide bombers for
Hamas and offered rewards for anyone who would kill Americans.

If you get right down to it, the only arguments against murder or theft are
basically religious.

C J Campbell wrote:

If you get right down to it, the only arguments against murder or theft are
basically religious.

No. Moral, yes, but religious, no. This is not the same thing at all.

Stefan

Matt Barrow wrote:

Yes...it's call intent and deliberation.

Guess what? Most victims don't care. And even those who do don't usually
think that the desire of making money with their oil is a valid reason
to kill them.

No wonder the rest of the world is so full of ****.

Then why the desire to invade it? But what do I expect from a country
which has been built on a genozide.

Stefan

Then why the desire to invade it? But what do I expect from a country
which has been built on a genozide.

???

Which country was built on "genozide"?
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Actually, the Blues I've seen seem to say "You have so much, give me
some!"

You've put your finger on the reason the Democrats fail.

The "Blues" that believe in *taking* far outnumber the "Blues" that believe
in "We have so much, we should try to make life better for the less
fortunate".

Worse, the ones who seem to believe the latter are too often disingenuous,
oftentimes benefiting from taking advantage of the one who believe the
former.

Government employees -- who overwhelmingly vote Democrat -- fit into this
realm.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

If you get right down to it, the only arguments against murder or theft
are
basically religious.

No. Moral, yes, but religious, no. This is not the same thing at all.

I'm with Stefan on this one (*gasp!*) -- there are plenty of moral and
logical arguments against murder or theft that don't involve religion.

I, for one, don't practice any organized religion -- but I've taught my
children morals that quite closely parallel the Ten Commandments.

Morality and religion often run on parallel tracks, but are, in fact, quite
different.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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If you get right down to it, the only arguments against murder or theft
are
basically religious.

And the Greeks, Romans, Eastern Indians (all atheist or non-religious) that
had such laws long before Christianity, they...hmmm

"Stefan" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:

If you get right down to it, the only arguments against murder or theft
are
basically religious.

No. Moral, yes, but religious, no. This is not the same thing at all.

Really? Explain to me, please, the difference.