taking off for the first time

"Freedom_In_Flying" wrote in message
...
"John Doe" wrote
I'm wondering about how piloting is taught. Getting to the point, why
not
use a long runway and have the student take off just enough for the
wheels to leave the ground and then immediately touch down?

This guy is either a kid or a troll, retarded or all of the above. He is
in
a few other groups (rec.models.rc.helicopter and air). He is asking stupid
questions like " aren't fast spinning propellers blades dangerous"

"plonk"

Or maybe he's a college student.


Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"Freedom_In_Flying" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote

I'm wondering about how piloting is taught. Getting to the
point, why not use a long runway and have the student take off
just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and then
immediately touch down?

This guy is either a kid or a troll, retarded or all of the above.
He is in a few other groups (rec.models.rc.helicopter and air). He
is asking stupid questions like " aren't fast spinning propellers
blades dangerous"

That's a lie.

I didn't start that thread and I didn't say anything about
propellers being dangerous.

"plonk"

Grandstanding troll.





Richard

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"Jose" wrote in message
om...

....

Hmmmm....

........are those of us who build/fly the R/C models THAT
low?

D.






On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:42:24 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"John Doe" wrote in message
. ..
"Matt Barrow" wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message

Can you fly and post to Usenet at the same time?

That's coming pretty soon, though many people can now from airliners.

I understand that limited Internet service is available via mobile
phones, but can you reference any post ever to Usenet while flying?

Not that someone has bragged of doing it, but using Google Newsgroups it's
certainly possible.

What's this obsession with posting from an aircraft? If that's your
mentality level, please stick with radio-controlleds.

"Dave" wrote in message
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Hmmmm....

........are those of us who build/fly the R/C models THAT
low?

D.

Only when you act really stupid.
--
Jim in NC

"Ramapriya" wrote

I've not done flight simulation either.

I built a house for a guy several years ago, that was a yuckety yuk at a
commercial flight sim for US Air. I was told to give him a call, and one
night that it was not scheduled, I could come and play. I could kick my
behind for not taking him up on it.
--
Jim in NC

Troll.

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"Dave" wrote in message
.. .
Hmmmm....

........are those of us who build/fly the R/C models THAT
low?

D.

Only when you act really stupid.
--
Jim in NC

I recall doing only a couple of such hops as part of my training, but
that was very late in the course. (Procedural training for powerloss at
take-off, part of the emergency procedures taught here).

/Rolf

On 2005-01-04 01:08, Frankster wrote:
Well.. you T/O with full power. If you want to then do an immediate
landing, you will have one hell-ov-a
power-back-flaps-down-establish-glide-flair-land TRANSITION in a very
compressed amount of time. Doesn't sound like a good learning technique to
me.

-Frank

"John Doe" wrote in message
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I have never piloted an aircraft. I do flight simulation from time to
time. Currently I am messing with radio controlled aircraft. There are
simulators for that also.

Having only simulation experience, but I'm wondering about how piloting
is taught. Getting to the point, why not use a long runway and have the
student take off just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and
then immediately touch down?

Again, inexperienced with the real thing, but isn't landing so
difficult/critical to warrant special treatment like that?

Trainer runways are not long enough?
The wear and tear would be too much?
That maneuver would be too difficult for a beginner to coordinate?

Genuinely curious. Thank you.

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
I have never piloted an aircraft. I do flight simulation from time to
time. Currently I am messing with radio controlled aircraft. There are
simulators for that also.

Having only simulation experience, but I'm wondering about how piloting
is taught. Getting to the point, why not use a long runway and have the
student take off just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and
then immediately touch down?


There is one school of thought on flight instruction where the student's
first lesson is precisely to takeoff and fly very close to the runway at
very near the landing airspeed. It's uncommon, and in some ways it demands
far more control right from the start.

More typically, the student flies the first takeoff, with the instructor
following on the controls or being prepared to take control, and the
airplane promptly leaves the airport pattern for gentle maneuvers at a
higher altitude where there is more cushion for safety.

In a sense, some would see your suggestion as similar to teaching driving to
a new driver by putting them on the interstate very near to other cars or
driving down a very narrow road, just inches from serious danger. Most
people's first driving experience is confined to a large and empty parking
lot where very precise vehicle control is not demanded at every instant.

There are benefits to your suggestion, but it's not common.

--

Scott

Like the archers of Agincourt, John O'Neill and the 254 Swiftboat Veterans
took down their own haughty Frenchman. - Ann Coulter

On 1/5/2005 14:21, tscottme wrote:

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
I have never piloted an aircraft. I do flight simulation from time to
time. Currently I am messing with radio controlled aircraft. There are
simulators for that also.

Having only simulation experience, but I'm wondering about how piloting
is taught. Getting to the point, why not use a long runway and have the
student take off just enough for the wheels to leave the ground and
then immediately touch down?


There is one school of thought on flight instruction where the student's
first lesson is precisely to takeoff and fly very close to the runway at
very near the landing airspeed. It's uncommon, and in some ways it demands
far more control right from the start.

More typically, the student flies the first takeoff, with the instructor
following on the controls or being prepared to take control, and the
airplane promptly leaves the airport pattern for gentle maneuvers at a
higher altitude where there is more cushion for safety.

In a sense, some would see your suggestion as similar to teaching driving to
a new driver by putting them on the interstate very near to other cars or
driving down a very narrow road, just inches from serious danger. Most
people's first driving experience is confined to a large and empty parking
lot where very precise vehicle control is not demanded at every instant.

There are benefits to your suggestion, but it's not common.

Actually, this is how it is done in ultralight training when you
don't have an instructor. Although I don't remember the name of the
book right now, it is a staple in Ultralight flying. It suggested that
your initial flights be short "crow-hops" where you get used to the
feeling of the vehicle in ground effect and flaring for landing.

This, of course, comes after some prerequisites, like a thorough
understanding of the principles of flight, taxiing at different
speeds, etc.

However, as others have said, it's not practical for normal flight
training, as you have an instructor ready and able to help in the
event there are any problems. You don't even have to know how to
land until later in your training career.





--
Mark Hansen
PP-ASEL, C-172M/G

Mark Hansen wrote:

... you have an instructor ready and able to help in the event
there are any problems. You don't even have to know how to land
until later in your training career.

Unless your instructor has a heart attack [kidding].
Thanks for the kind replies.