This is killing me!!!

Do you tip the guy at the valet parking lot?

Yes.

If the line guy actually hopped in and taxied my plane to a remote parking
lot, I'd tip him.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Some
bean counter figured this out, and is now intentionally trying to drive
away the little guys.

Or maybe have them pay their fair share...

I'd be interested to see your version of what our "fair share" should be.

Let's see, for Spam Cans we've got...

....wear and tear on the ramp -- none.
....usage of airspace...covered in fuel taxes.
....???

I suppose we flush the toilet when we pee, but I generally buy a pop or
candy bar, which should cover the water expense. And the line guy is paid
whether he's doing anything or not.

What other direct costs are there for a Cherokee parking at an FBO for 90
minutes?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

parking fee it it had helped keep the operation in business. Would we be
****ing and moaning if we had to pay parking fees to have kept Meigs open?

We DID pay exorbitant parking fees at Meigs -- and Daley bulldozed it
anyway.

Perversely, he was able to point to the low usage as a reason to close it,
completely ignoring the fact that traffic was kept low because of his
ridiculous $28 landing fee. Trust me, I'd have flown there every weekend
(and hundreds of other would have, too) without that landing fee.

And Chicago would have been millions of dollars ahead.

Of course, what can you expect from a regime that uses airport construction
money to destroy Meigs -- and then claims they "had to do it" because "Meigs
was abandoned..."?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message ...

"Blueskies" wrote in message
news

What subsidies to the feds give to the airport? There should be a public
transient
parking area for (pick a time) short term use...

The subsidies go to the municipality that owns and operates the airport, not
the FBO.
--
Matt
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My point exactly...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:PKMKd.34041$EG1.34022@attbi_s53...
Do you tip the guy at the valet parking lot?

Yes.

If the line guy actually hopped in and taxied my plane to a remote parking
lot, I'd tip him.

I tip the guy who chocks the wheels, helps with the luggage, and once one
big strapping young dude helped my mother-in-law out of the plane and into a
wheel chair, literally picking her up and carrying her.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

KMTP, Montauk L.I. also charges $15 for parking but has no fuel. It's a great
place to fly into for lunch, the beach at the end of the runway, or golf . As
a
resort area the price of land and housing is out of sight. If the property
was
to be used for multi million dollar housing, would we regret not paying the
parking fee it it had helped keep the operation in business.


Been to Montauk plenty of times . . . there is nothing at the airport but a pay
phone to call for a cab. The "beach" to which you refer is the Sound . . . if
you want to get to ANYTHING (restaurant or REAL beach) it is a $15 cab ride
there and $15 ride back. It is a resort area, so the landing/parking fee is
reasonable (and seasonal) and I don't mind paying it . . . but don't mislead
the folks into thinking that's all they have to pay.
www.Rosspilot.com

You are right if they just show you the spot, but occasionally I have
had them offer to help unload, arrange a car, reccomend a good place to
eat, or otherwise go beyond what they are paid to do (well, I guess
this is debateable). I always wonder if I should tip or just give a
good word to his boss. If I take advantage of the service I always
tip. Anybody else?

"mindenpilot" wrote in message
...

"jim rosinski" wrote in message
oups.com...
mindenpilot wrote:

What makes it worse is they said, "There's no fee if you get 15
gallons of fuel".
That sounded OK to me. I was almost full anyway.
18 gallons of fuel at $3.73 a gallon!

Hard to see how providing a second option "makes it worse". 15 gallons
is a pretty small number, so I think this option takes quite a bit of
the sting out of having to otherwise spend $15 for pretty close to
nothing.

Jim Rosinski


Or so they'd have you think.
It was worse because it would have been cheaper to just pay the $15 pay
for the difference in price on 18 gallons.
If I was empty, it would have cost me $60 more to fill up there than at my
home base.
If you subtract out the $15 fee that I didn't pay by buying fuel, I'm
still $45 in the hole!

Just a bummer all the way around.
The two other places that sell 100LL at Reno charge $3.99 and $3.50, so
Sierra is right in the middle.
Similar to the original question I posed, how is it that there is a $0.50
difference at the same airport?
That's a 15% difference (from the lowest to highest)?

If you were empty and did not want to pay that price for fuel, I guess it
would have cost you a lot more to get home and without the aircraft. What
do you want, welfare?

The line guy is there wether you use him or not. He still gets paid, as
does all the other staff. They have their phone bill.. their light
bill.. their insurance. They have a lease to pay, and sometimes
franchise fees to the local municipality. You are a business owner Jay..
and a service oriented business owner at that..

What would your response be if I came to your hotel, stayed for 90
minutes, and wanted a prorated bill rate cause I didnt stay until the
next morning's checkout (lets say say I just wanted to catch my soap
opera or something outrageous.. in your Memphis Belle Suite. I didn't
mess up any towels, didnt turn down the bed, did't even make a phone
call. What would the cost be to "turn over" that room? Minimal. Your
housekeeper still needs to get paid wether you used her or not for that
room. Would you as a regular practice, prorate such an occurance? I am
inclined to believe no.

It may be an apples to oranges comparison, but I think the spirit of the
argument is similar. The FBO's charge X number of dollars for UP TO an
overnight parking.. You.. as a business owner, have the right to do
that. Even if you were the only hotel in town, you could choose to do
that. On the same token.. they, as a business, can choose to do the
same. You, as the pilot, can choose to use or not use the facilities.. I
don't demonize you for NOT renting your rooms out by the hour...

Just because the spam-can's aren't the bread and butter of a corporate
oriented FBO doesn't mean that the spam can's don't deserve to be
charged for use of the facilities.. Even parking can get pretty pricey
depending on where you are (for CARS...).. and not all parking lots
pro-rate EITHER, depending on demand.

Yer a great guy, Jay... and I respect you for all the hard work you've
done as a pilot and a business owner, so please dont think Im attacking
you personally.. but I think we prolly will disagree on this issue

Dave

Jay Honeck wrote:
Some

bean counter figured this out, and is now intentionally trying to drive
away the little guys.

Or maybe have them pay their fair share...


I'd be interested to see your version of what our "fair share" should be.

Let's see, for Spam Cans we've got...

...wear and tear on the ramp -- none.
...usage of airspace...covered in fuel taxes.
...???

I suppose we flush the toilet when we pee, but I generally buy a pop or
candy bar, which should cover the water expense. And the line guy is paid
whether he's doing anything or not.

What other direct costs are there for a Cherokee parking at an FBO for 90
minutes?

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:41:02 GMT, Dave S wrote:

I don't demonize you for NOT renting your rooms out by the hour...

this will open the hotel to a completely new clientel. :-))

#m

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