Glider Pilot Running for US President

Alternatively, we could stop meddling in the affairs of other nations.

Terrorists don't hate us because we're free. They hate us because we meddle
in their internal affairs and don't take responsibility for the results.
Before we intervene in another country, we should first ask if it is any of
our business and second ask if we're sowing seeds of discontent that may
bloom in violence.

We could significantly lower our target profile without putting national
interests at risk. There's Zen for you, meet force with nothing.

It's that or, that what they're really ****ed about is us finding out they
wanted to train people to fly crop dusters and we put an end to that. You
see, they were all going to join the brotherhood of glider pilots until we
stopped their tow plane training program.

"RHWOODY" wrote in message
...
I believe what is meant here is that all
of us in the USA were drawn into war
by the events of 9/11 - including W -
we know what war is and we have had
experience in war - this war is still in
progress - and until the terrorists are
captured or killed, this war continues.

And you probably propose we
"hug these terrorists to death"???
Sorry pal, that does not work!
See it as it is - war!

RHWOODY wrote:
And you probably propose we
"hug these terrorists to death"???
Sorry pal, that does not work!
See it as it is - war!


The idea behind meeting force with nothing is that force falls on its
face. We tried to hug Sadam to death in the 80s. See how well that worked?
http://www.jeffooi.com/archives/000265.php

I just found this great place for talking about Bush!!!!
Let's all go there and post stuff!!!!

alt.politics.bush

And there's another group for terrorism!!! This is exciting!!!
Let's post stuff there too!!! Neato!

alt.security.terrorism

....and how far back you look for context.
A brief history of the US's flip-flopping Mid-East interventions can be
found he
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html

Saddam was our boy against Iran. When he asked what the US would do if he
invaded Kuwait, the US ambassador to Iraq said, 'nothing, we won't intervene
in an inter-Arab dispute'. A week later he invades Kuwait and walks into
history's biggest sucker punch. But at the end of that war we flip-flop
again, turning a blind eye as Saddam solves his Kurdish problem with
chemical weapons (after we'd encouraged the Kurds to rise up against
Saddam).
Then, we invade again because he doesn't turn over the WMD that the UN
couldn't find but that Shrub insisted existed (CIA evidence to the
contrary). Turns out he couldn't turn them over because they didn't exist.
But hey, no apologies required--we'll stick around until you voluntarily put
in place a government we can control, er, I mean one that we agree with, er,
is democratic, er, as we define it...

The Taliban were our pawns against the Soviet Union. In the summer of 2001,
just months before 9-11, we paid the Taliban $43 million (
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html ).

Sorry.... I'll stop now. Wayyyyy off topic.

but it's sooo cloudy and drizzly here --weather reference = on topic

"RHWOODY" wrote in message
...
When one responds to an attack like
9/11, it is not "starting" a war - that
war was started by the 9/11 terrorists -
regarding the Gulf War 2 - that war
was brought on by Saddam refusing
to abide by the agreements of the
surrender following Gulf War 1 - since
the UN could not agree to enforce
the existing agreements of the surrender,
the US took on that task with the help
of several other countries. Now Saddam
is removed from power, Kahn has
admitted his bad deeds in the past,
Lybia has given up its nuclear actions,
and IMHO the world is better off.
Before anyone points the finger at someone for "starting" a war - they
should look at what preceded the so-called starting of war. Of course
everyone has their own version based
on their own bias. You are entitled
to your own opinion - just like I am.
The true facts remain the same - only
the interpretation is different.

RHWOODY wrote:
I believe what is meant here is that all
of us in the USA were drawn into war
by the events of 9/11 - including W -
we know what war is and we have had
experience in war - this war is still in
progress - and until the terrorists are
captured or killed, this war continues.

Absolutely! After all of those Afghans and Iraqis hijacked those planes
and turned them into weapons of mass destruction, we were reluctantly
forced to invade their countries, so they would never be tempted to mess
with us again. We needed to make these people behave properly, like our
good friends, the Saudi Arabians. What is it with you America haters?

Marc

On 2/25/04 10:15 AM, in article ownet,
"Olivier Bertoe" wrote:

I'd love to [get back to soaring]. In a peaceful world, that is.

You won't live that long Olivier. Better do it now.


Jack
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Freedom Isn't Free! See the Future in History:
bondage faith courage liberty abundance
complacency apathy dependence bondage.
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Bull****. "The rest of the world" better wake up and realize there is
a global war going on, and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.


So a "Pre-emptive strike on Iraq who did not harbor terrorists or WMD is a good
way to win a war on terror? Is it also a good way to win friends in the world
community?

At 20:06 25 February 2004, Marc Ramsey wrote:
RHWOODY wrote:
I believe what is meant here is that all
of us in the USA were drawn into war
by the events of 9/11 - including W -
we know what war is and we have had
experience in war - this war is still in
progress - and until the terrorists are
captured or killed, this war continues.

Absolutely! After all of those Afghans and Iraqis
hijacked those planes
and turned them into weapons of mass destruction, we
were reluctantly
forced to invade their countries, so they would never
be tempted to mess
with us again. We needed to make these people behave
properly, like our
good friends, the Saudi Arabians. What is it with
you America haters?

Marc


Now, Marc!

Next you'll be saying that everyone who doesn't toe
YOUR line hates America. Some people love it by beating
its drum; others love it by trying to improve it.


Did you ever look at a piece of coal under a single
point source of light? It looks absolutely white;
add a second source of light and it is immediately
looks black. All parties to this discussion should
take this into account.

CNN & Fox brainwashing seems to work perfectly.

--
Bert Willing

Bert,
I got a big kick out of you linking Fox and CNN. In the USA, the right wing
calls CNN the Clinton News Network or the Communist News Network. And they
think Fox is "fair and balanced." Why do they think that? Fox tells them,
every chance they get.

Steve
Hoping the rainstops this weekend so I can fly!