Dangerous Cessna evacuates govt again

On Thu, 12 May 2005 07:44:17 -0400, Ron Natalie
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 11 May 2005 21:11:04 -0400, "W P Dixon"
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I am a student pilot and I have enough sense to not fly to the White House.
Doesn't VFR mean being able to see the ground?


Not in the US.

It does for student pilots (soloing).

Right. This whole tangential message thread belongs in
rec.aviation.student.

Ron Natalie wrote:

Except for the few of us who have jumped through the hoops to get
cleared for FRZ operations, the FRZ is a "no-fly zone". Even the
IRAQ no fly zone is only prohibited to UNAUTHORIZED (i.e. Iraqi)
airplanes.

You just defined "restricted" airspace, not a "no-fly zone".

I'm fine with media outlets and others defining this as restricted (feel
free to add descriptors like "heavily", "highly", "tightly controlled",
etc.) airspace. This is *not* a "no-fly zone".

Semantics? Maybe. But do this: Find a non-flying, non-aviation buff
friend of yours and ask them what comes to mind when you say "no-fly zone".
Do the same for "restricted airspace".

My experience has been that "no-fly zone" implies *no* planes except perhaps
military enforcers. Restricted means "permission required" - an accurate
description of the FRZ and to a lesser extent the ADIZ.

My point here is we pilots have enough difficulties with the ignorant
public. We shouldn't be perpetuating inaccurate descriptions of the
airspace around here - and "no-fly zone" is not accurate.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________

How do we get the media, and subsequently the American people to
understand that these small airplanes are flown by our American friends
and neighbors? I give up. The only way I could see the media EVER
showing that picture is if they had to do a story on the American
family shot out of the sky. The picture they like is the pilot on the
ground surrounded by agents.

But I'd better shut up. I'm going to be very misunderstood again.

No you won't, Gene. Those who "misunderstand" your thoughts do so
purposefully.

You have hit the nail right on the head, sad to say. The ONLY way this crap
is going to stop is when a family like mine gets blown out of the sky by a
Blackhawk's mini-gun, live on CNN.

Only when little bits of Piper are raining down on D.C. -- and the
subsequent exposes and docu-dramas are made for the USA network -- will the
following happen:

a) The stupid TFRs will be relaxed, and
b) Stupid pilots will FINALLY get the message.

Until then, we can only hold our breath and wait for the other shoe to drop.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Haven't you ever made a mistake?

Why would you, and the others on this board, immediately jump on the
governments bandwagon?

Wow -- you don't get it, do you? This has been happening -- regularly --
for over THREE YEARS.

Every time it happens, the public -- and the government -- looks at us more
suspiciously. Every time this happens I field questions from non-pilots,
asking how this can happen.

Frankly, I'm running out of explanations.

How many more times do you think it can be allowed to happen before the
FAA/TSA/CIA/Whomever says "Enough is enough" -- and terminates our flight
privileges anywhere near D.C.?

I'm planning a flight to D.C. in June, and I'm planning it with more care
and precision than NASA gave the Apollo moon landings. Anyone from outside
the D.C. area who doesn't is a MORON.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Weren't you one of those who in a previous thread suggested that we
_relax_ the requirements for getting GA certificates? ;-)

Perhaps this pilot was just one of those on the low end of the current
bell curve.

What this CFI did wrong has NOTHING to do with flying, and everything to do
with attitude and intelligence.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The ADIZ already encompasses an area with a population bigger than your
entire state.

Wow. Why would y'all cram yourselves into such a tiny area?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

It is indeed unfortunate that the general, non-aviation public only
receives its information from the likes of CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc. When
was the last time any of you saw any mention of the hundreds or even
thousands of pilots small, private airplanes in a responsible and safe
manner.

Tonight, on CNN.

Really? CNN did a positive piece on *anything*?

Or are you fibbing?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Thu, 12 May 2005 00:12:48 GMT, Jose
wrote:

Granted, the current rules are nonsense but that doesn't give these two
nitwits the go ahead to fly into the restricted area. That's not how you
fix stupid rules. That's how you get more stupid rules.

Just idly thinking here after two glasses of wine, but what if =all= the
spam cans in the country formed a line and flew directly over the white
house at 2000 feet with no transponder code and no clearance, and kept
doing it even as we were being shot down? What do you think the
eventual effect of this would be?

Jose

A pilot shortage.
Rich Russell

In article gPKge.75930$c24.17701@attbi_s72, Jay Honeck wrote:
You have hit the nail right on the head, sad to say. The ONLY way this crap
is going to stop is when a family like mine gets blown out of the sky by a
Blackhawk's mini-gun, live on CNN.

It'll stop because there will now be extra prohibited and restricted
airspace, to ensure when the next light aircraft gets shot down, it
doesn't rain parts on a populated area.

The TFRs would be strengthened if that happened, I have no doubt.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Those days are gone... Thank a F'ing lot! Bin Ladin!

this was not Bin Laden who brought all those restrictions ... it was ...
well, your own govt. .. but: *ssssshhhhhh!!*

Actually, it was half a dozen assh*les who decided to kill thousands of
innocents by using airplanes as missiles.

I sure wish they had chosen to use rental trucks again. Or boats.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"