It was really close...

I don't have a problem with an ADIZ. The problem I have is that
airliners which can carry more explosives than a Ryder truck are
allowed to fly in it, but GA planes are not.

Commercial air carriers have tightened their security to the point
where (I suspect) it would be impossible for a 9/11-style attack to
succeed again using commercial airliners as weapons.

Not to mention the fact that the passengers would immediately and
violently resist, as opposed to the pre-9/11 hands-in-your-lap approach
to a hijacking.
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"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
I don't have a problem with an ADIZ. The problem I have is that
airliners which can carry more explosives than a Ryder truck are
allowed to fly in it, but GA planes are not.

Commercial air carriers have tightened their security to the point
where (I suspect) it would be impossible for a 9/11-style attack to
succeed again using commercial airliners as weapons.

Not to mention the fact that the passengers would immediately and
violently resist, as opposed to the pre-9/11 hands-in-your-lap
approach
to a hijacking.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


All they have to do is get a pilot trained and working for an airliner!
Sounds silly but they are just that patient! As for as the
passengers, they won't know a thing till they see the Washington
monument go by the wing, then it will be too late!

On 16 May 2005 13:40:21 -0700, Sport Pilot wrote:

All they have to do is get a pilot trained and working for an airliner!

heck. they have the money for their own airline.
operate some years .. build up trust. then, one day there will be some
jumbos heading to their targets on the same time ... this isn't really a
big deal. maybe they already operate their airline.

and it would be an even better idea to attack littletown in nowhere, too.
because then _nobody_ will feel safe any longer at any place. shock and
awe, you know.

#m

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Bottom line: It's relatively easy to secure land
targets from Ryder trucks,
but it's very difficult to secure them from a Cherokee
Six filled with anthrax and C-4.

Which is why it's so silly that they had people run OUT into the
streets when the Cessna approached. That's fine for the last attack
style (huge airliner hitting buildings), but a very poor idea for small
planes. In the latter case, going to the basement or inner rooms
and/or closing windows might be smarter. And less disruptive as well.

Kev

Jay Honeck wrote:

Bottom line: It's relatively easy to secure land targets from

Ryder trucks,

but it's very difficult to secure them from a Cherokee Six filled

with

anthrax and C-4.

THAT is why we have an ADIZ over D.C., and anyone who argues

otherwise is

only fooling themselves.

Following that line of reasoning, there should be a no-fly zone

around

DC, and a huge ADIZ around every major city in the country.


Chicago's King Daley's assertions notwithstanding, no other city in
America has the concentration of power that presents such an obvious
and inviting target for (another) terrorist attack.

Well, there probably are more pilots who would like to see Daley out of
power than would like to see Bush out of power, so Daley's concern may
be real. :-)

Matt

"Kev" wrote in message ups.com...
Bottom line: It's relatively easy to secure land
targets from Ryder trucks,
but it's very difficult to secure them from a Cherokee
Six filled with anthrax and C-4.

Which is why it's so silly that they had people run OUT into the
streets when the Cessna approached. That's fine for the last attack
style (huge airliner hitting buildings), but a very poor idea for small
planes. In the latter case, going to the basement or inner rooms
and/or closing windows might be smarter. And less disruptive as well.

Kev


But you would have missed all the photo ops!

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

I don't have a problem with an ADIZ. The problem I have is that
airliners which can carry more explosives than a Ryder truck are
allowed to fly in it, but GA planes are not.

Commercial air carriers have tightened their security to the point
where (I suspect) it would be impossible for a 9/11-style attack to
succeed again using commercial airliners as weapons.

Come on Jay, you can't really believe that. There are so many holes in the
window dressing security you can drive a Ryder through them.

Jay Honeck wrote:
Chicago's King Daley's assertions notwithstanding, no other city in
America has the concentration of power that presents such an obvious
and inviting target for (another) terrorist attack.

The greatness and longevity of our country is in the CONCEPTS embodied by
our Constitution, not in the particular people who are PRESENTLY holding
particular offices, or a bunch of historic buildings. Our country would
survive even if DC was attacked.

As with so many things in a democracy, the ADIZ currently in place is
an imperfect compromise between absolute freedom, and absolute
prohibition.

I suspect that if an ADIZ/FRZ was permenantly plopped on top of Iowa City,
you'd be singing a different tune.



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Jay Honeck wrote:
3. Light aircraft are a possible means of delivering a weapon of some
kind.

So are every car, van, SUV and truck driving around in DC. And most of
them can carry a lot more explosive payload than the overwhelming majority
of GA aircraft.


This argument sounds amazingly like the Army/Navy brass, back in the 1920s,
when they were trying to pooh-pooh Billy Mitchell's theory that an aircraft
could sink battleships, which, at the time, were thought to be impregnable
from the air.

Obviously, history teaches us that aircraft turned out to be the ultimate
battlefield weapons, and control of the air is now considered essential to
any battle.

Bottom line: It's relatively easy to secure land targets from Ryder trucks,
but it's very difficult to secure them from a Cherokee Six filled with
anthrax and C-4.

THAT is why we have an ADIZ over D.C., and anyone who argues otherwise is
only fooling themselves.
Jay, Jay, Jay, I love you, but... What good does the ADIZ do? Don't you
think a terrorist knows how to file a flight plan?

Jay Honeck wrote in message ...
Officials Weighed Shooting at Errant Plane
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer 37 minutes ago

Pentagon officials sought to play down the incident, saying the small plane
was not seen as a serious threat and did not come close to being shot down.

"The quantity of explosives that you can pack in a little Cessna is not the
quantity of explosives you see placed in these big truck bombs," Jenkins
said. "In terms of explosives, it probably could not do that much damage."


They could probably see the two adults sitting in that Cessna 150 as if flew
merrily along into the restricted zone.
I haven't done a weight and balance calculation on a Cessna 150 in a couple
of decades. How much cargo weight remains after putting two adults in the
front seats? is it 6 or 8 pounds?? That wouldn't allow for a very large
bomb. I can see why they decided that the plane wasn't much of a threat.