even the pros dont get it right

On Thu, 19 May 2005 04:56:12 GMT, "Grumman-581"
wrote:

"Stefan" wrote in message ...
Imagine a truck driving against you on the
wrong side of the road. "Oh, supposedly
the driver is British, so he's used to drive
on the left side of the road. No big deal."

Does it really matter? Are you going to stay in your lane, comfortable in
your knowledge that you "have the right-of-way"?

"Law Of Gross Tonnage -- He who has the most gross tonnage has the
right-of-way"

I took out a big SUV with my little Trans Am. Put the SUV driver in
the hospital, I didn't get hurt. OTOH he broke my toy. Totaled the
TA, although that GMC will never track the same. Make it sorta
U-shaped.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
...
"Law Of Gross Tonnage -- He who has the most gross tonnage has the
right-of-way"

I took out a big SUV with my little Trans Am. Put the SUV driver in
the hospital, I didn't get hurt. OTOH he broke my toy. Totaled the
TA, although that GMC will never track the same. Make it sorta
U-shaped.

But of course. Those following the "Law of Gross Tonnage" must remember to
not forget the related law, the "Law of Kinetic Energy": he who is light can
still win by going REALLY REALLY fast.

Pete

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

What nations are you referring to? In the US the correct phrase is "climb
and maintain".

I'm referring to ICAO phraseology. In other words, to all countries
except the USA.

Stefan

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

What nations are you referring to? In the US the correct phrase is "climb
and maintain".

I'm referring to ICAO phraseology. In other words, to all countries
except the USA. (The original poster was referring to an occurrence
outside the USA, in fact, the point was exactly a (supposedly) US pilot
flying in British airspace.)

Stefan

In article .com, Robert M. Gary wrote:
I think they don't have mountains in Europe.

Tell that to the US bomber crew who forgot about the Isle of Man and
ended up plastered over the side of North Barrule...

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Stefan" wrote in message

I'm referring to ICAO phraseology. In other words, to all countries except
the USA.

Ooops. Careful, Stefan -- your shirt's a little snug, and that chip on your
shoulder is showing.

"Stefan" wrote in message
...

I'm referring to ICAO phraseology. In other words, to all countries except
the USA. (The original poster was referring to an occurrence outside the
USA, in fact, the point was exactly a (supposedly) US pilot flying in
British airspace.)


Where can ICAO phraseology be found? How do you know the US is the only
nation that doesn't adhere to ICAO phraseology?

"Stefan" wrote in message
...

If you like nitpicking: ATC should never tell you to "climb to FL 150".
The correct phrase is "climb FL 150".


Are you sure about that phraseology? I think you've got it backward; ICAO
standard is "climb to", not just "climb". As in "climb to eight thousand".
But "to" sounds exactly like "two", we use "climb and maintain eight
thousand" in the US to avoid possible confusion.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Stefan" wrote in message
...

If you like nitpicking: ATC should never tell you to "climb to FL 150".
The correct phrase is "climb FL 150".


Are you sure about that phraseology? I think you've got it backward; ICAO
standard is "climb to", not just "climb". As in "climb to eight
thousand". But "to" sounds exactly like "two", we use "climb and maintain
eight thousand" in the US to avoid possible confusion.

ICAO has " affirm" in place of "affirmative" to avoid confusion with
"negative".

On Wed, 18 May 2005 at 16:35:23 in message
, Montblack
wrote:
("Ron Natalie" wrote)
Why they don't have mountains in the UK (I thinkt he maximum
elevation in the UK is under 4500'), there are rather nice ones
on the continent.

I wondered whether or not the first sentence was a question but I
decided to answer it. The answer is I don't know why there are no
mountains in the UK. Must be something to do with geology. Among those
ant hills we have there are some remarkably scary places that I would
not care to fall from.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112966/
The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill But Came Down a Mountain (1995)

That film made the point that in order to correct our shortage of
mountains we created the definition of a mountain as being over a 1000ft
high. That's why, in the film, the locals carted enough material up to
the top to make a mound just high enough to re-classify their 'hill' as
a mountain.

"Ben Nevis is the highest in the British Isles, in the Highland area of
Scotland. Its summit, reaching an elevation of 4,406 feet (1,343
metres), is a plateau of about 100 acres (40 hectares), with a slight
slope to the south and a sheer face to the north east. Snow lies in some
parts all year, and permafrost conditions are almost reached."

Snowdon in North Wales looks more like a mountain although it is only
3,560 feet


--
David CL Francis