C-172 down at HPN - 2 fatalities

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Unfortunately, Bush and Co are loading up the CPB governing board with
their right-wing cronies, and we will soon be treated on public TV
to staged news conferences and shlled performances where hand-picked
audience members ask pre-screened softball questionsin an attempt to
make a moron president look like he knows what he is talking about.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04/...ime/index.html
President Bush will hold a (prime time) news conference Thursday at 8:30
p.m.

These things need to be approached with extreme caution - pizza (cold/hot
your choice) and much, much, much ice cold beer in the freezer will be
needed. BTW, 29 F beer (in bottles) can be thrown down quicker than normal
40 F refrigerator beer ...useful tip for emergencies like this.

Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush - doesn't matter:
Recliner, remote, friends, beer, pizza, beer, pizza.

"My Fellow Americans ....."
Beer, beer, beer, beer, beer, beer, beer, beer, beer, beer.


Montblack
Anyone going to eat that last piece of pizza?

Recliner, remote, friends, beer, pizza, beer, pizza.

Feh.

The two things that go with pizza are red wine (syrah, shiraz, petit
syrah, or most Italian reds) or orange juice.

Yes, orange juice. Try it.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote:
Recliner, remote, friends, beer, pizza, beer, pizza.

Feh.

The two things that go with pizza are red wine (syrah, shiraz, petit
syrah, or most Italian reds)

Yum.

or orange juice.

Ick.

Yes, orange juice. Try it.

Ok, I'll try it, but I have severe doubts.

Ever tried shrimp as a pizza topping? Delicious.
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Dan
C-172RG at BFM
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wrote in message
There was a time that the TV news departments were separate entities,
and not answerable to the commercial side, and did not have to fear
offending the commercial interests.


There was never such a time. CBS News in the time of Edward R. Murrow was
subject to sponsor created heat from time to time.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:40:07 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote:


wrote in message
There was a time that the TV news departments were separate entities,
and not answerable to the commercial side, and did not have to fear
offending the commercial interests.


There was never such a time. CBS News in the time of Edward R. Murrow was
subject to sponsor created heat from time to time.


The difference was. they didn't cave.

Ever tried shrimp as a pizza topping? Delicious.

I have not, but shrimp is great with pasta and tomato based sauces, so
should go well with pizza. I did have a seafood pizza that was less
than impressive though.

Jose
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for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

On 4/27/05 8:51 PM, in article , "Gary
Drescher" spewed:

"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
message news:BE933281.64DF1%jeffbTAKEOUTALLCAPS@TOEMAILwiz ardofdraws.com...
Even when we did a story on the flight school I trained at, and I pointed
out a number of glaring errors long before deadline, they were not fixed.
Among other things, it "sounded better" to say "license to fly" when the
student had only soloed.

Sorry, I don't see what's inaccurate there. A solo endorsement *is* a
license to fly (but not with passengers). Why not refer to it as such?

--Gary


The article was written as if his training was over and he had been given
his certificate. I won't get into a semantic argument about license v.
certificate, but the article taken as a whole was entirely misleading and
inaccurate. Keeping in mind that newspapers become historical documents, if
a reporter can't get a story right, it shouldn't be written.

In light of the fact that I am a pilot and everyone in the office knows it,
I don't think it would have been too much to expect a reporter to just cross
the room and have me proofread it (or even get a bit of background on the
training syllabus from someone who's been through it) before going to press.
But apparently it was.
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It doesn't take all that much training to recognize when a reporter is
willing to compromise his integrity by attempting to slant his article
toward an agenda.

Unfortunately, these days, it is rare to see an unslanted report,
regardless of the topic.

It's a shame it doesn't require more training to become a reporter.


RomeoMike wrote in
:

When I read posts critical of the knowledge of reporters I think one
of two scenarios: One, the poster has forgotten how much training it
took for him to get so "smart" and thereby figures the reporter and
anyone else should know as much as he does.

snip

Judah wrote:
It doesn't take all that much training to recognize when a reporter is
willing to compromise his integrity by attempting to slant his article
toward an agenda.

Yes, you only need to know how to read...


Matt

"A.Coleman" wrote in
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The damned ceiling couldn't have been more than 500 feet.
Temp/dewpoint spread was zero. Says something about American Flyers
that it's taking a primary student up shooting instrument approaches
in low IMC .


When they left ALB, the METAR reported Vertical Visibility 200' and 1/8
mi visibility in fog that had been sitting at the airport all day. Plus
earlier that day the Approach Lights were reported out of service
(though I don't know if it was still inop at the time of the report I am
referring to).

1/8 mi is below ILS 16 minimum @HPN. And VV002 is exactly minimum. But
without a rabbit you lose a fair amount of latitude with an approach
into below minimums. (ie: You can see the rabbit a few hundred feet
ahead of the threshold, and once you see it you can go down another
100'. It's a big safety feature.)

I know experienced Instrument Rated pilots who would cancel a flight in
those conditions. By 3pm, the METAR reported VV002 and 1/2mi Visibility
in Fog, so it was exactly at minimums.

My guess is that the instructor felt that he could take the student up
and take over at some point when the student was clearly out of his
league. Still, I don't know enough about the instructor to know A) how
far he would let the student go before he decided it was time to take
over, B) if he had enough experience teaching THIS particular student to
read through potentially confused signals to recognize when it was time
to take over, and C) if he would be able to take over a potentially
panicked approach in IMC, recover, and safely navigate the plane onto
the ground from the right seat.

None of us will ever know... But we can sure guess at it based on the
unfortunate and dire result...