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Most Challenging Instrument Approaches in Western US?
I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging
instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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Or at nightfall...
Mike Rapoport wrote: Aspen, CO in real IMC.. Mike MU-2 "Angus Davis" wrote in message ... I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message .net... Aspen, CO in real IMC.. Mike MU-2 They still have that microwave landing system there? |
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The ILS 13 at Provo, UT (PVU) looks pretty complicated. Especially if you
fly the full procedure starting at the FFU IAF. I haven't flown it in real life, but it was a handful in a simulator. Phil www.pfactor.com |
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Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD.
We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are "challenging." Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Lynne Angus Davis wrote in message ... I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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If you fly in the SF Bay Area, you're probably already familiar with the
Monterey LOC DME 28L approach. It has several step downs and a some important terrain issues. This is an approach where the safety pilot/instructor should have the pilot remove the hood a couple of times to see the consequences of making a mistake. 1. If you're getting vectors to final, just before interception take a look at the terrain ahead to see where you'd be going if you didn't receive a clearance to intercept and just kept flying through the locallizer on the vector heading. 2. As you reach the minimum altitude for each stopdown, take a look outside to your left. I'll bet you've never seen terrain and houses so close before. After seeing where the terrain is on final, I added 500' to the minimum step-down altitudes for this approach... Mick Ruthven "Angus Davis" wrote in message ... I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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Lynne Miller wrote:
Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD. We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are "challenging." Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Lynne, I am glad to hear your opinion that challenging instrument approaches do not exist. Given your extensive experience, perhaps you could expand on your reply by noting those approaches you've flown over the years that would yield the greatest learning opportunity for instrument students. Thanks, -angus |
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The answers so far seem to define challenging as "greatest risk if you mess
up". That's a fair definition but if you go by difficulty of execution then the NDB to Siskiyou County, CA, (SIY iirc) looks like fun. I've never flown it but it involves a substantial dogleg at the NDB (particularly good if there's a crosswind) as well as a death-defying descent rate on final. John "Angus Davis" wrote in message ... I am curious to hear this group's thoughts on the most challenging instrument approaches in the Western US. Perhaps this not the best way to phrase the question, because I am planning a trip with a fellow instrument student and our instructor around the Western US this winter, similar to those organized by outfits such as IFR West. So, I am looking for challenging approaches that will be a good learning opportunity for the instrument student. I fly in the Bay Area, so I'm no stranger to ATC. We will probably do the trip in an all-glass SR-20, so no ADF. I consider "Western US" to be anything where radio stations begin with a "K" Thanks in advance for your suggestions, -angus |
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John Harper wrote:
The answers so far seem to define challenging as "greatest risk if you mess up". That's a fair definition but if you go by difficulty of execution then the NDB to Siskiyou County, CA, (SIY iirc) looks like fun. I've never flown it but it involves a substantial dogleg at the NDB (particularly good if there's a crosswind) as well as a death-defying descent rate on final. Juneau, Alaska is no "bowl of peaches" either. A fellow controller was riding jumpseat on a 727 a number of years ago on a flight from Anchorage to Seattle with intermediate stop at Juneau. The pilot was enthused that this would be his first flight into Juneau with VFR conditions. There is a rather large dogleg to turn final and a hill just slides under as you are, or just before, making the dogleg. The Captain said that was the LAST time he wanted to make the approach to Juneau in VFR conditions. Lou. |
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"Lynne Miller" wrote:
Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some special issues. Compulsive liar. |
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