Aleutian Island airports?

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:37:45 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:

I've only been as far west as Dutch, but I think I recall some talk of a
field on Adak. It was all 30 years ago. Remember also, what is defined
as
an airport in the Aleutians may be pretty rudimentary.

There's a military field on Adak, and likewise on Shemya. No civilian
fields.

The airport on Adak is a CIVILIAN airport

http://www.airnav.com/airport/ADK

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 07:51:56 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:

Sidewinder up the wazoo! :~(

I question that. Note that the Cessna got within 3 miles of the White
House without being shot down.

The C-150 would have fallen on city dwellers...anything in Alaska would only
fall on a whale.

But I suppose whales are considered more precious than people.

"S Narayan" wrote in message


By international convention -ve longitudes apply to west of Greenwich and

Adak really being at +176 indicates it is further West of Casco Cove which

One, or possibly both, of you guys is getting all twisted around with this
"international convention" stuff. (BTW, is that another French idea?)

Adak is at 176W long. Attu is at 173E long. That means that Attu is
farther west than Adak, except to those truly anal types who insist that you
MUST measure eastward, which would place Attu 349 degrees east of Adak. No
one with any sense does this.

Also, both islands are on the same (eastward) side of the Date Line. Attu
is westward of the 180 degree meridian, but the Date Line jogs westward here
to encompass the Near Island group.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "S Narayan"
said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Actually Adak is at +176.6460306 and Casco Cove is at -173. But even if
Adak was at -176 and Casco Cove was at -173 in my coordinate system (W
is
positive), Casco would still be further west than Adak.

However, no matter how you slice it, if you're at Adak and you want to
get
to Casco Cove, you go west. Look at a globe.
By international convention -ve longitudes apply to west of Greenwich and
+ve longitudes east of Greenwich. OK, let's forget that for the time
being.

I use a different convention.

Taking your example of Adak at -176 and Casco Cove is -173 ---- you
consider

No, Adak is at +176 and Casco Cove is at -173.

Casco WEST of Adak. Using this convention let's take a simple example and

It is. Look at a map.

San Francisco, CA is at -122.4 and Reno, NV is -119.8. Using above

No, San Francisco is at +122.4 and Reno is at +119.

You are entitled to invent your own coordinate system but this is not what
you will find on a coordinate lookup. If anyone can point me any website
that gives these coordinates for SF and Reno, I would appreciate it. I will
try to avoid those websites. In most cases it is obvious what the intent is,
but for this example, it certainly has generated some confusion.


Adak really being at +176 indicates it is further West of Casco Cove which
is at -173. Moving Adak to -176 puts it 8 deg east of the original
location
(but now across the date line) but still west of Casco Cove.

Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong. Look at a map.


I took your earlier categorical statement of +176 for Adak and -173 for Attu
and applied it in the standard convention. I apologise for not checking the
coordinates from an independent site. All my statements were based on the
coordinates you provided but interpreted in the standard sense. One wouldn't
have to look at a map if the coordinates were specified in standard notation
to know which way is west or east.

I just looked up the coordinates on airnav.com which are -176 (176W) for
Adak and +173 (173E) for Attu. I whole heartedly agree with those who say
Attu is WEST of Adak. I think there are still some dissenters in the
newsgroup.

In a previous article, "S Narayan" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "S Narayan"
said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Actually Adak is at +176.6460306 and Casco Cove is at -173. But even if
Adak was at -176 and Casco Cove was at -173 in my coordinate system (W
is
positive), Casco would still be further west than Adak.
I took your earlier categorical statement of +176 for Adak and -173 for Attu
and applied it in the standard convention. I apologise for not checking the

Why didn't you look at the end of the sentence, where I said that "W is
positive"? You know, if you're going to argue with somebody's point, you
really should read the whole sentence you're arguing with.

--
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about blurry, pixilated, mpeg artifacted live porn by phone!
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"Dave S" wrote in message
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Here is a map

http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuelroute/1/ADK-ATU

Click on the airports to see which is which. BUT, heading from Adak to
Casco, you go EAST.. which means ADAK is west.

I don't trust Airnav's initial heading of 081. Clearly Attu (Casco) is west
of Adak.


Good job, Paul
Dave

Paul Tomblin wrote:

In a previous article, "S Narayan"
said:

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Actually Adak is at +176.6460306 and Casco Cove is at -173. But even if
Adak was at -176 and Casco Cove was at -173 in my coordinate system (W
is
positive), Casco would still be further west than Adak.

However, no matter how you slice it, if you're at Adak and you want to
get
to Casco Cove, you go west. Look at a globe.

By international convention -ve longitudes apply to west of Greenwich and
+ve longitudes east of Greenwich. OK, let's forget that for the time
being.


I use a different convention.


Taking your example of Adak at -176 and Casco Cove is -173 ---- you
consider


No, Adak is at +176 and Casco Cove is at -173.


Casco WEST of Adak. Using this convention let's take a simple example
and


It is. Look at a map.


San Francisco, CA is at -122.4 and Reno, NV is -119.8. Using above


No, San Francisco is at +122.4 and Reno is at +119.


Adak really being at +176 indicates it is further West of Casco Cove
which is at -173. Moving Adak to -176 puts it 8 deg east of the original
location (but now across the date line) but still west of Casco Cove.


Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong. Look at a map.

In a previous article, Dave S said:
Here is a map

http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuelroute/1/ADK-ATU

Click on the airports to see which is which. BUT, heading from Adak to
Casco, you go EAST.. which means ADAK is west.

Good job, Paul
Dave

AirNav has a bug in their algorithm.

I'll accept your apology any time now.

--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Pilots are reminded to ensure that all surly bonds are slipped before
attempting taxi or take-off"

"Scott Skylane" wrote in message
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S Narayan wrote:

/snip/
Adak really being at +176 indicates it is further West of Casco Cove
which is at -173. Moving Adak to -176 puts it 8 deg east of the original
location (but now across the date line) but still west of Casco Cove.



Tell me you are not a pilot. Please.
Scott Skylane

Did you see anything wrong with my interpretation, assuming standard
convention? I am sorry I don't subscribe to Paul's coordinate system, but if
you took his numbers and used them like most people would, you clearly would
reach the same convention. I should have inverted the sign of all his
coordinates and things would have been fine. At the IDL, signs are
important.

For the record, I am a PP-ASEL-IA.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "S Narayan"
said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "S Narayan"
said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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Actually Adak is at +176.6460306 and Casco Cove is at -173. But even
if
Adak was at -176 and Casco Cove was at -173 in my coordinate system (W
is
positive), Casco would still be further west than Adak.
I took your earlier categorical statement of +176 for Adak and -173 for
Attu
and applied it in the standard convention. I apologise for not checking
the

Why didn't you look at the end of the sentence, where I said that "W is
positive"? You know, if you're going to argue with somebody's point, you
really should read the whole sentence you're arguing with.


I apologised. You want me to get down on my knees :-) ?

I don't quite understand why you use this convention. Is it because it
simplifies the use in a spreadsheet?

Dave S wrote:
Here is a map

http://www.airnav.com/cgi-bin/fuelroute/1/ADK-ATU

Click on the airports to see which is which. BUT, heading from Adak to
Casco, you go EAST.. which means ADAK is west.


Error report sent to Airnav.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane