14 yr old pilot

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:09:16 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in wl5te.15087$Nx1.1991@trndny05::

e's already committed two felonies that we know of.

Which would those be?

Taking your mother's car without permission, nor driving without a
license are not felonies. Because there was apparently no act of
breaking and entering into neither the airport nor aircraft, it's
likely that piloting the plane wasn't grand theft either.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

Seeing that our agricultural portion of the population is about 2%, that
still won't be a hell of a lot.

Averages don't mean diddly. Rainsville is a community of about 5,000
people with
two farmers' co-ops and a tractor company; ie. a strong agricultural
presence.
Betcha a substantial portion of the kids there have some tractor
experience.

Well, if you go on the "It only takes one" premise, yeah.

Larry Dighera wrote:

Which would those be?

Stealing an item worth over a certain amount of money is grand larceny. I'm
quite sure both the aircraft and the car qualify.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
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Larry Dighera wrote:
The kid's alleged behavior (being under age and driving his mother's
car presumably on a public street without possessing a driver's
licence nor her permission, and flying an aircraft without benefit of
license nor permission to use the aircraft) is irresponsible and
illegal. An adult would have been prosecuted with those crimes (and
may still be). In this country (US) the parents are responsible for
the behavior of their minor (under 18 years of age) children, so they
will at least bear the cost of damage their son caused to the
aircraft, and could conceivably face negligence charges if the
District Attorney feels the case warrants. All this is obvious.


But quite often, not so simple. What if the offender has limited to no
ability to pay? What if the driver who hits you on the freeway has no
insurance? What if the guy who hits you has insurance, but you only get
blue-book on a total loss for a car you just drove off the lot yesterday?

Some parents just don't care, and as a result, their kids just don't
care. In the end, the good guy often ends up out of luck in some
fashion.



JKG

Jonathan, I agree 100% with what you say.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 03:09:16 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in wl5te.15087$Nx1.1991@trndny05::

e's already committed two felonies that we know of.

Which would those be?

Taking your mother's car without permission, nor driving without a
license are not felonies. Because there was apparently no act of
breaking and entering into neither the airport nor aircraft, it's
likely that piloting the plane wasn't grand theft either.




Wonder if they would call it Joy Flying hehehehehehe

Section 13A-8-11
Unauthorized use of vehicle; unlawful breaking and entering a vehicle.
(a) A person commits the crime of unauthorized use of a vehicle if:

(1) Knowing that he does not have the consent of the owner, he takes,
operates, exercises control over or otherwise uses a propelled vehicle; or

(2) Having custody of propelled vehicle pursuant to an agreement between
himself or another and the owner thereof whereby the actor or another is to
perform for compensation a specific service for the owner involving the
maintenance, repair or use of the vehicle, he intentionally uses or operates
it, without the consent of the owner, for his own purpose in a manner
constituting a gross deviation from the agreed purpose; or

(3) Having custody of a propelled vehicle pursuant to an agreement with the
owner thereof whereby it is to be returned to the owner at a specified time,
he knowingly retains or withholds possession thereof, without the consent of
the owner, for so lengthy a period beyond the specified time as to render
the retention or possession a gross deviation from the agreement.

(4) Unauthorized use of a vehicle is a Class A misdemeanor, except that if a
person by force or threat of force takes, operates, usurps or exercises
control over a propelled vehicle with an operator or one or more passengers
aboard he is guilty of a Class B felony.

(b) A person commits the crime of unlawful breaking and entering a vehicle
if, without the consent of the owner, he breaks into and enters a vehicle or
any part of a vehicle with the intent to commit any felony or theft. For the
purposes of this section, "enters" means to intrude:

(1) Any part of the body; or

(2) Any physical object connected with the body.

(3) Unlawful breaking and entering a vehicle is a Class C felony.


Section 13A-8-3
Theft of property in the first degree.
(a) The theft of property which exceeds two thousand five hundred dollars
($2,500) in value, or property of any value taken from the person of
another, constitutes theft of property in the first degree.

(b) The theft of a motor vehicle, regardless of its value, constitutes theft
of property in the first degree.

(c) Theft of property in the first degree is a Class B felony.

Taken from the State of Alabama website concerning laws in that state.
I sure ain't a lawyer but from the statutes I read these seem to be the most
likely charges...if a DA wants to get the kid. I am sure a good DA could add
another half dozen or so charges as well. So the taking of his mom's van
would be a Class A misdemeanor, the airplane however would be a Class B
felony. Of course his mom could refuse to press the theft charges for the
van, but it still leaves the young lad in a jam.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Larry Dighera wrote:

Which would those be?

Stealing an item worth over a certain amount of money is grand larceny.
I'm quite sure both the aircraft and the car qualify.

Section 13A-7-21
Criminal mischief in the first degree.
(a) A person commits the crime of criminal mischief in the first degree if,
with intent to damage property, and having no right to do so or any
reasonable ground to believe that he or she has such a right, he or she
inflicts damages to property:

(1) In an amount exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500); or

(2) By means of an explosion.

(b) Criminal mischief in the first degree is a Class C felony.



Just another example of a felony he could in fact be chraged with,....like I
said a good DA can find alot of charges for something you and I would just
consider he did one thing wrong. Intent will play the major role on this
one. Guess it will be up to a DA to prove intent.



Patrick

student SPL

aircraft structural mech

I don't think we will survive anyway. There are just too few of us in a
country of over 300 million people.

It will be fairly easy to make some draconian rules, as one sees in Europe,
that will essentially put us out of the air.

All it will take is one person flying a small plane into a stadium loaded
with either a small bomb or toxic chemical to ground us for keeps.

If one remembers, the planes responsible for the carnage of Sept 11 were all
large jetliners yet we were grounded for weeks.
"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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"Peter R." wrote:

the better question is if the security people are ever going
to grasp how little danger GA poses.

True, but the issue is not what is reality, but what the public
perceives.
If the general, non-flying public perceives GA to be a danger
(incorrectly
reinforced by silly comments made by unthinking FBO owners), they will
pressure their congressmen/woman to push for even more restrictions over
GA.

There are at least two issues. We (GA) cannot survive if we allow the
security
folks to misrepresent the dangers of GA. But we also must address the
gross
ignorance of the non-flying public. ****ing away resources to address
imaginary
security concerns drains resources from addressing actual security
problems.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

W P Dixon wrote:

I sure ain't a lawyer but from the statutes I read these seem to
be the most likely charges...if a DA wants to get the kid.

What is likely to happen is that charges will be pressed in the case of the
plane. The mother is unlikely to press charges in the case of the van.
Considering the boy's age, if this is a first offense, he will probably be
remanded for counseling until he's 18. If he gets into trouble again before
that, he will probably wind up in juvenile detention, possibly with time to
serve as an adult. If he stays out of trouble, his record will be sealed. Again,
that's just what's likely in my opinion.

That doesn't change the fact that he's now a felon and he did that all by
himself. Nobody "made him one."

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

If he knew enough to get into the plane, find the key, push the mixture
control in (or whatever that plane requires) get the engine started - taxi
out to a takeoff point - take off and fly about without crashing - then make
two successful landings - I would bet he could have figured out how to start
the thing without a key.

My dad had a C175 and an Aeronca Champ when I was growing up, and at age 14
I could fly them both. Those of you who started this fun flying stuff later
in life would not probably understand that my brother and I thought we were
invincible. We flew the Champ several times alone when our father was away
on business.

Most of the posters on this board never probably did anything except blindly
obey all the rules and never have taken a chance. That's why there is so
much holier than thou crap when it comes to this kid, and it's my guess not
one of you have a clue who he is or what really happened.


"W P Dixon" wrote in message
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Well leaving your keys in your airplane sure has got to be DUMMMMMB!
But a key anywhere doesn't make someone be a crook. But a lock can sure
keep honest people honest!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
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In article 4bEse.36
A
contributing factor could be the puzzling apparent practice of leaving
keys in airplanes parked on the ramp.



JKG