Practice Engine-Out Landings

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
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One trick to use, if needed, when you find yourself just a little short
but
still in a safe position, is to pull the prop into high pitch, low rpm.
This will decrease your drag and extend your glide just a tad.


.... if I panic and overshoot, will I forget that the blue lever goes in
first??... and if I *do*, what is the usual consequence, say on the average
non-turbo 6-banger?

Jay Honeck wrote:
Of course remember to cool your engine before chopping the power to
prevent
or minimize shock cooling.


Hey -- let's start a new endless thread!

Can you shock-cool an engine in summer?

If you start with the assumption that shock-cooling is a real phenomenon(?),
just play with some numbers. Say a typical summer temp is 80 degF and winter is
30 degF, and your cylinders are typically at 350 degF. So the delta-T is 270
degF in summer and 320 degF in winter. The summer delta-T is about 85 percent of
the winter delta-T. Not that much different.

Before someone complains, yes, of course, my choice of numbers is arbitrary. You
can pick different numbers and make it come out any way you like. Plug in the
numbers you think are typical.

DGB

Jim Burns wrote:

One trick to use, if needed, when you find yourself just a little short but
still in a safe position, is to pull the prop into high pitch, low rpm.
This will decrease your drag and extend your glide just a tad.

In the Mooney it's more than a tad.

In article ,
"Icebound" wrote:



... if I panic and overshoot, will I forget that the blue lever goes in
first??... and if I *do*, what is the usual consequence, say on the average
non-turbo 6-banger?

If you're prone to panic perhaps you should stick with you Ford Falcon.
G

You should never "forget" the blue lever. A power increase should
always be mixture, prop, throttle.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

In article . net,
"Mike Rapoport" wrote:

In a glide lift=weight and the production of that lift causes some amount
of induced drag. Again faster airplanes are going to have less total drag,
both induced and parasitic than slower airplanes. I don't have numbers
handy but a Bonanza or Mooney (or Baron) is going to glide better than an
Arrow.

Here's some numbers that I have handy.

Cessna 152 can glide for 16 miles from 10000 feet.

Cessna 208 (Caravan) can glide for 22 miles from 10000 feet.

The 152 is doing 60 knots, the 'van is doing 96 kts.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

Ewwwwwwwwww!
Jim


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Of course remember to cool your engine before chopping the power to
prevent
or minimize shock cooling.

Hey -- let's start a new endless thread!

Can you shock-cool an engine in summer?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article .com,
"Paul kgyy" wrote:

I just did a bunch of these with my recent BFR on the Arrow - like a
brick. The only positive thing you can say about these glide
characteristics is that it makes it easy to avoid wake turbulence by
staying well above a normal glidepath.


I do it all the time in my Johnson Rocket -- overhead approach at
cruise; break over the numbers, slow to gear/flap speed (100 mph) in the
turn (it will be at the correct speed at the 180 point); continue
turning and land at the 360 point, on the numbers. I have done this with
a T-34 and a Zlin 242 -- all to 3-point attitude "squeakers". When
dirty, these planes have about a 3:1 glide ratio.

The 360 overhead allows you to monitor standard traffic and keeps you in
tight, so you can control your glide.

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In article xJTye.138628$xm3.92446@attbi_s21,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

I just did a bunch of these with my recent BFR on the Arrow - like a
brick. The only positive thing you can say about these glide
characteristics is that it makes it easy to avoid wake turbulence by
staying well above a normal glidepath.

The really amazing thing is that many other planes have *worse* glide
characteristics than our Cherokees.

I've got a friend with a Swearingen SX-300, which is basically a rocket,
with stubby little wings. He says when you chop the throttle you are
landing NOW, coming down at something like 3000 fpm.

Another friend just finished building his Glasair III, and he says his isn't
much better. That's the price you pay for all that speed, I guess.


I have landed a friend's SX-300 from the overhead also. Glide is about
100 kt, but you have complete control over the plane -- it does roll out
for awhile, though.

--
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"Dale" wrote in message
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"Icebound" wrote:



... if I panic and overshoot, will I forget that the blue lever goes in
first??... and if I *do*, what is the usual consequence, say on the
average
non-turbo 6-banger?

If you're prone to panic perhaps you should stick with you Ford Falcon.
G


Well, okay, sure....

But the question really was: what are the consequences?

Does it typically lug and die, or will it lug and lumber upward slowly, or
do I get one of the above plus twist the crank, etc.???

Do I get away with it? None of the time? Most of the time? Once in while?

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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The really amazing thing is that many other planes have *worse* glide
characteristics than our Cherokees.

Yup. In my Lake Renegade, if you are abeam the runway pavement, and if you
*turn immediately* to the runway (forget base and final), you can make the
pavement. Otherwise, you won't.

On top of that, the flare happens very quickly, because of the rapid rate of
descent. You can increase the airspeed to give you more time for the flare,
but that of course steepens your descent angle even more.

I've got a friend with a Swearingen SX-300, which is basically a rocket,
with stubby little wings. He says when you chop the throttle you are
landing NOW, coming down at something like 3000 fpm.

Another friend just finished building his Glasair III, and he says his
isn't much better. That's the price you pay for all that speed, I guess.

Heh. Speed. I wish.

Pete