Jim's EAA Platform '05

sleepy6,
the UL group here does great! Matter of fact is there are more of them than
builders and owner's and restorers of certified aircraft. They are really
good at sticking together to keep local airports from blocking them out.
Myself I would like to see each chapter have a build project and all the
members pitch in and build a plane...kids welcomed of course so maybe they
will catch the flying bug as well. Would sure beat talking about where to
get lunch!!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"sleepy6" wrote in message
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Did you ever get around to decideing on your position about UL?

The local chapters are really great in dealing with UL. I have been
welcome at every EAA group I have visited.

I'm not so positive about the national level. Jim is running for
national office so I asked his position ... especially in reguards to
a petition for improvements to part 103.

So far, I haven't seen any answer.


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sleepy6,
the UL group here does great! Matter of fact is there are more of the
m than
builders and owner's and restorers of certified aircraft. They are rea
lly
good at sticking together to keep local airports from blocking them ou
t.
Myself I would like to see each chapter have a build project and a
ll the
members pitch in and build a plane...kids welcomed of course so maybe
they
will catch the flying bug as well. Would sure beat talking about where
to
get lunch!!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"sleepy6" wrote in message
...
Did you ever get around to decideing on your position about UL?

Sleepy ...

You sent me a long research project with a bad URL less than two weeks
before Oshkosh. Why don't you just ask the specific question right up front
so that I can deal with it?

Jim



"sleepy6" wrote in message
...
The local chapters are really great in dealing with UL. I have been
welcome at every EAA group I have visited.

I'm not so positive about the national level. Jim is running for
national office so I asked his position ... especially in reguards to
a petition for improvements to part 103.

So far, I haven't seen any answer.

I assume this was posted prior to the recent private emails we have
exchanged.

In article ,
says...

Sleepy ...

You sent me a long research project with a bad URL less than two weeks

before Oshkosh. Why don't you just ask the specific question right up
front
so that I can deal with it?

Jim



"sleepy6" wrote in message
...
The local chapters are really great in dealing with UL. I have been
welcome at every EAA group I have visited.

I'm not so positive about the national level. Jim is running for
national office so I asked his position ... especially in reguards t
o
a petition for improvements to part 103.

So far, I haven't seen any answer.

"sleepy6" wrote in message

I assume this was posted prior to the recent private emails we have
exchanged.

If it's a matter of concern to EAA members in general - and UL pilots
specifically - why not just post them in public anyway (private emails
or not)???

Jim sent me a private email wanting clarifications and we had a couple
of email exchanges. Just some clarifications of the UL situation. I
don't make others private email public but it's okay with me if Jim
wants to post mine. When Jim has time to research the info, I'm sure
he will reply on here.


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says...

"sleepy6" wrote in message

I assume this was posted prior to the recent private emails we have
exchanged.

If it's a matter of concern to EAA members in general - and UL pilots
specifically - why not just post them in public anyway (private emails
or not)???

"sleepy6" wrote in message

Jim sent me a private email wanting clarifications and we had a couple
of email exchanges. Just some clarifications of the UL situation. I
don't make others private email public but it's okay with me if Jim
wants to post mine. When Jim has time to research the info, I'm sure
he will reply on here.

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that anyone post private emails (bad
"netiquette" - I agree)... What I meant was that I (and probably
others) would like to know what concerns the UL community
has - and suggesting that this might be a good place to post them.

Bill

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"sleepy6" wrote in message

Jim sent me a private email wanting clarifications and we had a coup
le
of email exchanges. Just some clarifications of the UL situation.
I
don't make others private email public but it's okay with me if Jim
wants to post mine. When Jim has time to research the info, I'm sur
e
he will reply on here.

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting that anyone post private emails (bad
"netiquette" - I agree)... What I meant was that I (and probably
others) would like to know what concerns the UL community
has - and suggesting that this might be a good place to post them.

Bill

Don't get me wrong here. The local EAA guys are great and the other
chapters seem to welcome UL as well. I have never had any reason to
complain about the grass roots part of the EAA.

The national level is a different situation. The EAA has a long
history of not representing UL. Are you aware that in the 22 years
since part 103 was written that the EAA has never initated a single
petition for the improvement of part 103? The only thing they have
done is file for the same exemptions that other organizations worked
for after they got them.

Are you aware that sport pilot came about when the EAA blocked a
petition in the ARAC committee for improvements to part 103? That was
the first petition for large improvements in 22 years and was almost
guaranteed to be enacted before the EAA action.

Don't get me wrong, there are some good things in sport pilot. This
is not about sport pilot at all. The UL community would have gladly
supported an EAA effort in that direction. The point is that if the
EAA had cooperated, part 103 would have been improved. They chose to
hijack that petition instead of write their own. On top of that,
the way sport pilot was written eliminates the fleet of existing UL
trainers and the existing system of instructors in a couple of
years.

The registration of the UL trainers and instructors provided
the largest part of the income for the UL organizations. With
no trainers, no instructors and much less funding, the picture
looks pretty bleak for the UL organizations.

Recently another UL petition was submitted. This petition was NOT
discussed with the UL community. In fact once rumors started that it
was being drawn up, the orgs denied it existed for a long time. The
community first knew all the details when it was put on the docket.

As written, it is a thinly disguised attempt to allow the orgs to make
money by chargeing members to participate in a phoney safety study. In
other words, if you pay the orgs, they would let you use the petition
exemption for a little more weight. It isn't designed to help the
community. It is designed to produce income for the orgs.

The EAA originally was going to be one of the submitters but pulled out
after the community got upset about what little we knew of the
petition. The EAA did submit a favorable comment to the petition.

The community was so upset that most of us do not support the petition
submitted by our own orgs. We submitted comments about what the
community really wanted instead.

You can read the petition and comments for yourself at

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...docketid=19350

If you read my comment #144 first it will help you watch for certain
items when you read the petition which is comment #1. If you read my
comment #57 you will see what the petition should have been to really
help the community.

I asked Jim to check out the above and then tell us what his position
would be concerning UL. He is very busy but assures me that he will do
that as soon as he can.

Bob

Jim wrote:.

"Renting" equipment is always a problem when you are trying to expand a
program. Doing it with tin cans, chewing gum, and kite twine has always
been my goal.

Thanks...

Jim

Jim,

I don't know you (except for your informative, cut to the chase, stuff on
here) but am sure glad that I posted off that chit for your EAA ticket to
stand for office.

You're my kind of guy with talk like that, I'll support anything that gets
back to the basics, with affordable, fun, flying. Just making young people
aware that building and flying is within their grasp, irrespective of
income, social status or whatever, has to be a worthwhile objective.

Jeremy
SALISBURY
United Kingdom
EAA 711015