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Officials with the Federal Aviation Administration are investigating
the crash. The pilot, William Helwig Jr., 62, of Downers Grove, said he
had problems immediately after leaving the small airstrip that cuts
through the private Brookeridge subdivision near Darien.

"Upon takeoff, he began having engine difficulty and he tried to circle
back and land it, but he couldn't make it," said Robert Tinucci, chief
administrator with the Darien-Woodridge Fire Protection District. "We
were happy he was able to avoid any structures."

The plane went down just before noon and crashed across the street from
Darien-Woodridge's Fire Station No. 3 at 87th Street and Lemont Road.
Firefighters ran across the street and began tending to the victims,
officials said, and were quickly aided by personnel from other
firehouses and fire departments.

Some interesting notes:
-Fortunately, a station was within running distance, at the end of the
western "crash zone"
-No such luck for the eastern "crash zone" a wreck there requires FF to
travel 3-4 miles.
-D-W FD is not as generous in responding to aid another FD, as I
witnessed this
week with a car fire in a Cub Foods parking lot, a backup fire engine
had
to travel 3 miles, when the DWFD Mega-HQ is 1 mile east.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
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Again, what's YOUR evidence that the CPD has a park surplus?


Look at a map. Most of the lakeshore is occupied by parks.

Most? Portions occupy the space between LSD and the lake, and
portions
are private residencies and industrial. What's your standard for
adequate public parks, for 3 million people?

JG

OK, buster, let's turn the tables: what do you think should be the
standard for adequate GA airports for a city of 3 million people?

I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.


I guess that those places would be good places for parks, no?

In general, post WW-2 suburbs included ample park space, but IMHO
Waukegan's
lakefront location could be attractive for residential development.

Lakefront
property is expensive, so all those parks must be worth a bundle to
developers, no?

As is central park in NYC, but try selling off and see what happens!

The Mission of the Chi. PD is:
"Come Out & Play!
Discover the pleasures of Chicago Park District treasures! The Chicago
Park District manages over 220 stunning facilities throughout the city
- most can play host to your next event.
For more information about the Chicago Park District's more than 7300
acres of parkland, 552 parks, 33 beaches, nine museums, two world-class
conservatories, 16 historic lagoons, 10 bird and wildlife gardens,
thousands of special events, sports and entertaining programs, please
continue on through the event section."

Many CPD parks aren't fit for humans. They are rundown, crime ridden, god
forsaken places which would better serve the community if Walmart were to
build on the property. Several downtown areas are nice but other than that
"dump" is a better description than park.

Doesn't that description pretty much fit the whole city?

When I was in school at the U of I, we downstaters liked to tell the
Chicagophiles that what Chicago needed was another fire.

Oh, downstate like the place with all the FREEWAYS paid for by NE IL
drivers, sure I've been there. Loved those smells on the way to
Decatur.
Careful around the meth-labs, they go boom sometimes.

JG

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So Stadt-ville is offering to build affordable housing for low income
people?
$100 Millions worth of condos going up west of Meigs.

JG

By your own reasoning, "affordable housing" just attracts "moochers," so
you don't want THAT.

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wrote:

Officials with the Federal Aviation Administration are investigating
the crash. The pilot, William Helwig Jr., 62, of Downers Grove, said he
had problems immediately after leaving the small airstrip that cuts
through the private Brookeridge subdivision near Darien.

"Upon takeoff, he began having engine difficulty and he tried to circle
back and land it, but he couldn't make it," said Robert Tinucci, chief
administrator with the Darien-Woodridge Fire Protection District. "We
were happy he was able to avoid any structures."

The plane went down just before noon and crashed across the street from
Darien-Woodridge's Fire Station No. 3 at 87th Street and Lemont Road.
Firefighters ran across the street and began tending to the victims,
officials said, and were quickly aided by personnel from other
firehouses and fire departments.

Some interesting notes:
-Fortunately, a station was within running distance, at the end of the
western "crash zone"
-No such luck for the eastern "crash zone" a wreck there requires FF to
travel 3-4 miles.
-D-W FD is not as generous in responding to aid another FD, as I
witnessed this
week with a car fire in a Cub Foods parking lot, a backup fire engine
had
to travel 3 miles, when the DWFD Mega-HQ is 1 mile east.

What in hell is a "crash zone?" The only reference to "crash zones"
around airports has been from ignoramuses.

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:

What in hell is a "crash zone?"

A crash zone is what they call my touchdown point.

- Andrew

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I frankly haven't seen a movement by a large portion of the citizens
for more capacity. MDW's size is 1 square mile and seems to due just
fine.
ORD takes GA, but ya gotta pay the fees. Land is expensive, so there's
a limit for any new fields within city limits. Outside, Lansing, Gary,
DPA, Shaumburg, Palwaukee, and Waukegan serve the region fine.

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport that
produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that people
can take their dogs to defacate..

OK. THAT makes sense!

Judah wrote:

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport that
produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that people
can take their dogs to defacate..

And steal the money that the Federal government gave us to improve another
airport to build the park. Then claim the other airport is now too congested and
ask for even more money to "fix" that problem.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

George Patterson wrote:
Judah wrote:

"Land is expensive." So let's take a wonderful historic public airport that
produced revenue and tear it down to install a public park so that people
can take their dogs to defacate..

Not cleaning up is a citable violation. The plan is for a "Nature
Park". IMHO,
Shelter Island in San Diego Bay is a good mixed-use project.


And steal the money that the Federal government gave us to improve another
airport to build the park. Then claim the other airport is now too congested and
ask for even more money to "fix" that problem.

Speaking of the Feds:

"The closed El Toro Marine base officially became private property
Tuesday as Lennar Corp., which won the 3,700-acre former military
airfield in an auction in February, closed escrow with the Navy.

The nation's third largest home builder also signed a development
agreement with the city of Irvine, which annexed the base in 2003 and
named its redevelopment plan the Orange County Great Park.

Under the agreement, Lennar donated 1,375 acres of the land to Irvine
for parks and roads and other public uses and committed to pay $200
million in development fees to fund public works on the site.

In return, Lennar gained rights to build as many as 3,400 homes and 3
million square feet of commercial, industrial and office space."

The fences drop at another public facility, JG.

Andrew Gideon wrote:
Orval Fairbairn wrote:

What in hell is a "crash zone?"

A crash zone is what they call my touchdown point.

- Andrew

Whatever the official term is for the buffer acreage at the
ends of the runway. This may be filled by houses, trees, etc.

JG

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Andrew Gideon wrote:
Orval Fairbairn wrote:

What in hell is a "crash zone?"

A crash zone is what they call my touchdown point.

- Andrew

Whatever the official term is for the buffer acreage at the
ends of the runway. This may be filled by houses, trees, etc.

JG


You really are a moron. If there is an official buffer acreage it certainly
isn't filled with houses.