Oshkosh Camping Suggestions

RST Engineering wrote:

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Dang Jim, another thing to add to the "bring to OSH" list. Seeing as
I'm flying something w/o wing struts now, push/pulling out of the N40
will certainly be easier if the Arrow has been sitting on 1/2 inch thick
pieces of plywood for the week.


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-IA Student
Arrow N2104T

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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RST Engineering wrote:
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Jack Allison wrote:
Dang Jim, another thing to add to the "bring to OSH" list. Seeing as
I'm flying something w/o wing struts now, push/pulling out of the N40
will certainly be easier if the Arrow has been sitting on 1/2 inch thick
pieces of plywood for the week.

You will not regret bringing them, Jack. Especially if it rains as it
did two years ago.

Yup. And again seven years ago, and thirteen years ago, and ...

Jim


Is that based on lessons learned in the North Fond du Lac mud two year's
ago? :-))

Is the weight penalty worth the comfort of an air mattress for a week?

Montblack

Do the words HELL YES mean anything to you?

Dave

Dave S wrote:

Is the weight penalty worth the comfort of an air mattress for a week?

Montblack

Do the words HELL YES mean anything to you?

Dave

I'm still waiting to reach my limit on W&B with only 2 people and
gear in the cherokee 180. And I don't pack light...

"Blanche" wrote in message
...
I'm still waiting to reach my limit on W&B with only 2 people and
gear in the cherokee 180. And I don't pack light...

The real question isn't so much the weight limit (though in some cases that
might be relevant). It's that every pound added to the airplane costs you
in cruise speed, and thus in everything tied to cruise speed (fuel costs,
maintenance expenses, etc.).

IMHO, you'd have to be pretty stingy for that cost to not be justified if
you get a week's comfort out of it (especially when you consider that a
well-rested pilot is a safer pilot). But it is true that there's a
measurable cost. (I haven't done the particular calculation, but it
probably amounts to a fraction of a percent increase in expense, even after
you add in every possible related cost you can possibly think of).

Pete

Montblack wrote:

Is the weight penalty worth the comfort of an air mattress for a week?

With my back, if it'll fit in the plane, I'm taking it.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Is the weight penalty worth the comfort of an air mattress for a week?

Do the words HELL YES mean anything to you?

Boy, I'll second that motion. We brought our first queen-sized,
self-inflating air mattress to OSH three (?) years ago, and whoa -- what a
difference!

Rain? Who cares? I'm 8 inches in the air, well above any moisture that may
leak into the corners of the tent.

Rocks? Who cares? I'm floating on a cloud!

It's been the best addition to our OSH camping gear, ever.

The only problem is that our kids don't have them (they sleep in their own
"wings", on either side of us in our gigantus-humongo tent), and all we hear
is a high-pitched whining sound whenever it's time for bed.

Of course, ear plugs solve that pretty well!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Peter Duniho wrote:
"Blanche" wrote in message
I'm still waiting to reach my limit on W&B with only 2 people and
gear in the cherokee 180. And I don't pack light...

The real question isn't so much the weight limit (though in some cases that
might be relevant). It's that every pound added to the airplane costs you
in cruise speed, and thus in everything tied to cruise speed (fuel costs,
maintenance expenses, etc.).

IMHO, you'd have to be pretty stingy for that cost to not be justified if
you get a week's comfort out of it (especially when you consider that a
well-rested pilot is a safer pilot). But it is true that there's a
measurable cost. (I haven't done the particular calculation, but it
probably amounts to a fraction of a percent increase in expense, even after
you add in every possible related cost you can possibly think of).

Pete, et al....

If I were doing calculations to worry about weight v. expense, I
wouldn't own an airplane. Reality check, please!

My first choice when traveling is always a Marriott. For the past
few years I've been staying at the dorms in Appleton. This year,
I'm trying the camping concept. But my idea of camping, now that
I'm not longer young and stupid (afterall, I'm no longer young. But
I am still stupid...) is a comfy tent, cd/mp3 player, comfy twin or
larger air mattress (taking the idea from the OP, I've decided against
the sleeping bag and just packed the sheets), a couple pillows -- much
easier to sit up and read, etc. If I brought the RV (the camper, not
the airplane!) which I sold a number of years ago I'd have the
airconditioner, full bath, comfy bed, kitchen, satellite dish...etc.

I stopped "roughing it" many years ago when I quit being a white-water
rafting guide here in Colorado.

Come to think of it, the "emergency equipment" for the aircraft weighs
more than everything else. That includes 1 of every type of lamp,
couple quarts of oil (no, I'm not bringing a spare filter), tools,
safety wire, extra batteries, covers, tie-down kit, and so on.

I told you I didn't travel light!

On the other hand, I've spent a month traveling in Europe with
nothing more than a carry-on bag and the AMEX card. Of course I always
knew where the closest laundromat was located. And yes, because it
was business, it was always the Marriotts.

Knowing full well I'm about to perpetuate the stereotype, you're talking to a
Jewish American Princess. And yes, I consider the cell phone, AMEX
card and a nail file mandatory flight equipment in my flight bag.

(*chortle*)

Personally, I'm really bringing a mostly-empty aircraft. I fully
expect to do serious shopping both in Bldgs A-D as well as the
outlet stores on the other side of the interstate...we'll see
how much I can spend at the LandsEnd store...

As for cruise speed -- oh please! I'm in a cherokee 180 that on
a good day with a tail wind, I might see 110-115 kts. Of course where
I live, that 180 hp engine is only pushing out 108 hp. I'm really
looking forward to seeing how it performs below 5000 ft MSL.

I'm hoping to be part of a flight of 2. The other aircraft is a
2002 Grumman Tiger. I get an hour's head start.

Blanche wrote:
Peter Duniho wrote:

"Blanche" wrote in message

I'm still waiting to reach my limit on W&B with only 2 people and
gear in the cherokee 180. And I don't pack light...

(SNIP)

I went into OSH in an ARROW with two other people and some gear. We were
at Gross, no questions asked.


Come to think of it, the "emergency equipment" for the aircraft weighs
more than everything else. That includes 1 of every type of lamp,
couple quarts of oil (no, I'm not bringing a spare filter), tools,
safety wire, extra batteries, covers, tie-down kit, and so on.

I told you I didn't travel light!
(SNIP)

Neither did we. But in our case we shipped over 100 pounds of camping
gear in boxes to the on-site post office.

We brought tarps, an ice chest, clothes, sleeping bags, pillows and our
flying gear in the plane.

We shipped tents, a cookstove, a lantern, folding camp chairs and other
bulky stuff by postal ground, a few days early.

The tarps were in case we got there and our gear didnt, or we had to
land somewhere else and camp unexpectedly.

Dave