Airmens' Freedoms Threatened by Harsh Congressional Proposals

Yep Gig,
That's the Patriot I know of, but I was wondering if one really was
shoulder fired. LAW's are really fun to shoot, as are the old Dragons. But I
have never heard of a shoulder fired Patriot. Just wondering if they had
one"Before My Time" so to speak.
Patrick


"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
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The Patriot was never shoulder fired. Here's a website on it.
www.army-technology.com/projects/patriot

Steve Foley wrote:
How long before Daley wants the same thing?

Last year.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:37:12 -0500, Mike Weller wrote in
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:17:46 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:


Airmens' Freedoms Threatened by Harsh Congressional Proposals

Boyer added. "And
when you think about it, with F-16s and Patriot missile batteries
stationed around the area that are ready to inflict the ultimate
penalty on an errant pilot, what more deterrent could and should
there be?

There is not a PATRIOT missile anywhere near that area.

Ask me how I know that PATRIOT is an acronym! My wife invented it
and I have worked on PATRIOT since 1977.

JOVIAL is the password.

Mike Weller



Right. As I recall, they were shoulder fired.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:45:20 -0400, "W P Dixon"
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The Patriot system has a 7.4 foot long missile powered by a single stage
solid propellant rocket motor that runs at mach 3 speeds.The missile itself
weighs 2200 pounds and its range is 43 miles. The Patriot is armed with a
200 pound high-explosive warhead detonated by a proximity fuse that causes
shrapnell to destroy the intended target. Each Patriot missile system has
eight m-901 storage/transportation containers that serve as launchers, and
every launcher contains four missiles. The launchers are hooked to an m-860
trailer. The system possesses an MSQ-104 engagement control station, which
is mounted on an M-818 tractor. The Track Via Missile guidance system is the
basis of the overall system.

The system is built around radar and fast computers.The missile is launched
and guided to the target through three phases. First, the missiles guidance
system turns the Patriot toward the incoming missile as that missile flies
into the Patriot's radar beam. Then the Patriot's computer guides the
missile toward the incoming Scud missile. Finally, the Patriot Missile's
internal radar receiver guides it toward the interception of the incoming
missile. (Boyne, Walter Colonel U.S.A.F. (Ret) Gulf War-A comprehensive
guide to people, places and weapons Signet 1991)

I believe the Patriot they refer to is this puppy here

I believe the original "Patriot" missle was done in the 70's wasn't it? Was
it really shoulder fired? Wow must have been a heck of alot smaller than the
modern Patriot?


No. I don't think the Patriot was ever shoulder fired. As Mike
Weller pointed out, there are no Patriot missiles around DC. But I
recall hearing about the SS being equipped with shoulder launch
missiles.

They have installed missile systems at several locations around DC. I don't
know what missile system it is. Many of the batteries are in site of the
public. I heard this reported in main stream media, so it is no secret. I
think the AOPA had an article on it.

"Mike Weller" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:17:46 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:


Airmens' Freedoms Threatened by Harsh Congressional Proposals

Boyer added. "And
when you think about it, with F-16s and Patriot missile batteries
stationed around the area that are ready to inflict the ultimate
penalty on an errant pilot, what more deterrent could and should
there be?

There is not a PATRIOT missile anywhere near that area.

Ask me how I know that PATRIOT is an acronym! My wife invented it
and I have worked on PATRIOT since 1977.

JOVIAL is the password.

Mike Weller

I have no doubt that with all the military bases in the DC area that it's
got plenty of surface to air protection . I do recall not long after 9/11
hearing on the news that anti-aircraft batteries were around DC. Sorry but I
don't remember the source.

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"bill hunter" wrote in message
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They have installed missile systems at several locations around DC. I
don't know what missile system it is. Many of the batteries are in site of
the public. I heard this reported in main stream media, so it is no
secret. I think the AOPA had an article on it.

Well, seeing how that Washington DC IS in a foreign country, an ADIZ
is appropriate, I guess. The more isolated they become though, the
scarier it gets. DC, another mess.

Larry Dighera wrote:

But I
recall hearing about the SS being equipped with shoulder launch
missiles.

There's more than that out there now.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/002224.php

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

bill hunter wrote:
They have installed missile systems at several locations around DC. I don't
know what missile system it is.

The Avenger system.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 15:24:11 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in vE9Ce.1397$xe3.201@trndny09::

Larry Dighera wrote:

But I
recall hearing about the SS being equipped with shoulder launch
missiles.

There's more than that out there now.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/002224.php


Thanks, George.

Given:

February 13, 2003
Anti-Missile Batteries Deployed in Washington

The Avenger is an air defense missile system that uses a pedestal
or vehicle mounted 'Stinger' missile battery. Avengers are being
deployed around Washington D.C. to guard against air attack. This
one is near the Washington Monument.

It would seem that 2-1/2 year old information does mention 'Stinger'
missiles which I always considered to be shoulder fired.

The U.S. Army's shoulder-fired STINGER Weapon System provides
effective, short-range air defense capabilities...
http://www.redstone.army.mil/history...s/STINGER.html
http://www.nisat.org/weapons%20pages...ile_system.htm

The Avenger is an air defense missile system consisting of a pedestal
mounted "Stinger" missile battery of eight heat-seeking Stinger
missiles in two quickly reloadable pods and a .50-caliber machine gun
for self-defense.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic412.htm

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:25:57 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
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It shouldn't be much of a surprise that the Congress-critters, having gotten
annoyed at having to get out of their chairs and leave the building a couple
of times, would choose this reaction, rather than to pose the serious
question as to what the ADIZ and other flight restrictions in the area are
actually doing (answer: nothing, with respect to protecting DC).


Prior the creation of the DC ADIZ, there were no evacuations (of which
I am aware). So those bureaucrats who were inconvenienced should aim
their venom at the creators of the ADIZ and it's poorly conceived
response policies, not airmen. I wonder how we could get that
viewpoint printed in the Washington Post or WSJ...