737 off runway, Pearson Toronto

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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Peter R. wrote:
If any good has come out of this discussion, it is that I am reminded of
the power of PAN-PAN, something I should have used but didn't last year
when one of my mags failed during flight.


That's not necessarily an appropriate use either. I would probably keep
that
information to myself, as you did. You use "PAN" when one mag is out and
the
other is getting shaky. You use "Mayday" when the second one packs it in.
Of
course, shortly before you issue "Mayday" you issue an "Oh, ****! G


Followed by a "What the f*&%k ??".

"Peter R." wrote in message
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ATC was very accommodating, but I don't think they declared
an emergency for me given the absence of the rescue
trucks at the runway.

I'm not aware of any principle that says an emergency necessarily requires
rescue trucks--especially if it was just an urgency-level emergency, rather
than a distress-level emergency.

--Gary

("Jay Beckman" wrote)
Ok, I'll bite. Gimme facts. You seem to know more than the accident
investigators. Spell it out. PUT UP OUR SHUP UP!

Weren't you the one who was ripping people on their spelling earlier in
this thread?

The term is: Put Up Or Shut Up...

C'mon..get it right.


That's what happens when you take 'two' or 'three' pills before you go
online :-)


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("Jay Beckman" wrote)
Ok, I'll bite. Gimme facts. You seem to know more than the accident
investigators. Spell it out. PUT UP OUR SHUP UP!

Weren't you the one who was ripping people on their spelling earlier in
this thread?

The term is: Put Up Or Shut Up...

C'mon..get it right.


That's what happens when you take 'two' or 'three' pills before you go
online :-)


Or whem zu have a lisp.

"Montblack" wrote in message
...
("Jay Beckman" wrote)
Ok, I'll bite. Gimme facts. You seem to know more than the accident
investigators. Spell it out. PUT UP OUR SHUP UP!

Weren't you the one who was ripping people on their spelling earlier in
this thread?

The term is: Put Up Or Shut Up...

C'mon..get it right.


That's what happens when you take 'two' or 'three' pills before you go
online :-)


Hey, stop knocking drug users!!!

Happy Dog wrote:
Does it have to do with the attendant paperwork? Declaring an emergency
means a whole bunch of paperwork. The few times I've had a potentially
serious problem, ATC treated it as a potentially serious situation. In one
case it required rerouting landing airliner traffic. And, declaring an
emergency, for the pilot, means you can do pretty much anything you need to,
such as breaking regulations, to save the day. Isn't that what we're
taught?


Paperwork for who? I had a situation where I had rolled a T-34B and while I was
inverted, apparently got something stuck in the controls. The stick was jammed
partway to one side. It took a lot of effort on the stick along with mucho
rudder to keep the aircraft straight and level. I of course immediately
declared an emergency.

As it turned out, the landing was uneventful except for all the fire trucks that
followed me down the runway and taxiways. Thank God the stick was still stuck
when one of the emergency bigwigs tried it, because shortly after that the
obstruction amazingly disappeared after some manipulation.

I don't recall having to do any paperwork at all, ouside of a note to
maintenance suggesting they really go over the control system before anybody
else flew it.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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The stick was jammed
partway to one side. It took a lot of effort on the stick along with
mucho
rudder to keep the aircraft straight and level. I of course immediately
declared an emergency.

As it turned out, the landing was uneventful except for all the fire
trucks that
followed me down the runway and taxiways.

You musta felt like the Pied Piper!

Matt Barrow wrote:
As it turned out, the landing was uneventful except for all the fire trucks
that followed me down the runway and taxiways.

You musta felt like the Pied Piper!


It was a strange sensation. My biggest fear was the controls would suddenly
become free when somebody tested them. I didn't want anybody to think I had
just pulled a stunt for the thrill of it.

But it was definitely still buggered up when they were tested. It was a little
later that they suddenly popped free.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

WELL ONE WROTE "GET A LIFE" AND THE OTHER WROTE "GET A GRIP" SO DOES THAT
MAKE THEM BOTH BOTTOM FEEDERS????




"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "Dave" said:
Is it just me, or does this guy Thomas Borchert have a stick up his ass?

He doesn't strike me as any better or worse than anybody else on this
group. You, on the other hand, are on the low end.

Get a life dude!

Whenever anybody says "Get a life", it's a sure sign that they have
nothing intelligent to say.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Not that I'm annoyed at this particular bit of recto-plasmic sputum which
has crawled up from the depths of product mis-management to haunt me. Not
at all. -- Simon Burr

Cub Driver wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:16:35 -0400, "Peter R."
wrote:

Whereas: XXXX, This is / I am --- is so much wasted talk. That's why
we have these MAYDAY and PAN calls (and, in maritime, SECURITE as
well).

Just for the sake of pedantry, Securite is a little different, used to
alert other vessels to a potential danger as opposed to requesting
assistance with an existing situation. For instance, a large vessel
backing out of its slip into a high-traffic area might announce their
intentions preceded by "security, security, security" in order to make
sure everyone pays attention.

-cwk.