medical question: childhood heart murmur

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
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How could someone be required to report something they have no knowledge
of?

The same way they are required to be familiar with ALL available
information pertaining to a flight.


The two situations have nothing to do with one another. Example on January 3
1994 at the ripe old age of 32 I had a heart attack. I obviously had a
problem on January 2 but if I had taken a FAA physical on the 2nd there is
no way they could say I withheld a damn thing.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message
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How could someone be required to report something they have no knowledge
of?

The same way they are required to be familiar with ALL available
information pertaining to a flight.

But that requirement is established by FAR 91.103, which creates an
affirmative duty to do the necessary research. There is no comparable
requirement to research one's medical history; the only requirement is to
answer some questions truthfully, to the best of one's knowledge at the
time.

--Gary

I'm no lawyer but I think that in a court of law, it would be
considered hearsay. Did the person reminding you of your heart murmur
provide evidence? How do you know the other person's recollection was
indeed accurate? My parents barely remember which kid is which, let
alone who had this procedure or that one. Presumably, since you were an
infant at the time, the person was not REMINDing you of anything -
indeed s/he was relaying a story that could be true or false.

Of course, due diligence might yield additional information, but is it
reasonable to expect you to investigate a heart murmur as an infant (a
VERY common condition - almost all babies are born with a hole in their
heart that seals up within about a week) when the symptoms do not
currently present?

I'm no doctor either. But if it were me, I would mention it to my AME
next time I went in for a medical. Tell him someone told you that you
had a heart murmur as an infant . I suspect he'll pay attention for a
bit, maybe double check, and determine if there is a problem that
requires attention. But he is qualified to make that distinction and
report (or not report) appropriately. And if he reports, it's probably
for your own safety...


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Okay, here's an odd situation.

30-something pilot, been flying a few years, have had a couple of
class III medical examinations; no problems.

On a recent visit home, pilot's family remind him that as infant he
had a heart murmur. There were checkups for a few years, but no
restrictions, meds, problems, etc of any sort.

Pilot vaguely remembers some of this on being reminded, but also
knows
he's never mentioned it to an AME. (As far as he knows, there's no
murmur today; at least no doctor or AME has mentioned it during an
exam in the last 20 years.)

Pilot has a one year old medical good for two more years.

1. does the pilot divulge to FAA said childhood murmur?
2. if so, to whom? AME? Oklahoma City?
3. does he wait until next exam (couple of years) or do so now?
4. If going to divulge, should he go get fancy/expensive tests
*first*
or let FAA or AME ask for said tests?

Some seriously Googling about murmurs shows the protocol for murmurs
to be that they are FAA disqualifying until shown to be benign, and
the FAA has a list of stuff they want a cardiologist to provide to
make the decision. It's not clear if the AME or OKC needs to do that.
The list of stuff is long: stress test, ekg, family history, etc.


this unnamed flyer is a little freaked out right now. he doesn't want
to break the law, but doesn't want to give up his one true love,
flying!

thanks,
unnamedflyer

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

Dave S wrote:

Congrats Mort... thats my first mispelling someone has kicked back on me
in over a year.


Thanks for playing.



We ame to pleeze.



My first response, that I didn't send.. WAS a "hooked on phonics" barb..
I can see we had the same idea.

Dave

Judah wrote:
I'm no doctor either. But if it were me, I would mention it to my AME
next time I went in for a medical. Tell him someone told you that you
had a heart murmur as an infant . I suspect he'll pay attention for a
bit, maybe double check, and determine if there is a problem that
requires attention. But he is qualified to make that distinction and
report (or not report) appropriately. And if he reports, it's probably
for your own safety...


I owuldn't be inclined to mention it. If the AME can't hear one now when he
listens, what possible significance can one have been back when you were a kid.
Murmurs generally indicate an incompetent valve, ie, one that leaks. They are
fairly common in kids and people grow out of them all the time. If the doc
can't hear one now, why open a can of worms for the FAA to screw you over with?

Want to listen for one? Lay a stethescope on your chest and listen. Normal
hearts go lub-dub. Murmurs go whoosh-whoosh. If you don't hear it, there isn't
one. For an exagerated murmur sound, find a dialysis patient that has an AV
shunt in his arm. Listen to it (the shunt)... the loudest murmur on the planet.

My AME told me the main thing the FAA looks at is any condition that may cause
incapacitation. Competent valves don't... so I wouldn't feel particularly
guilty over the sin of omission.

Of much more concern to me would be a murmur that appeared where none had
previously been. That would get my attention... the doc's too.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:38:54 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

. You're only required to
report what you remember.

That's an interesting take on the regulations. Where'd you get that from?

How could you possibly be required to report something you don't
remember?


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On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:28:45 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

My guess is that the doctor confused him with his brother.
The pilot's vague memories are probably regarding his brother.

Plus there is the universal tendency of families' trying to spoil the
fun of a relative they suspect of having too much fun. Probably his
parents made the whole thing up, just to put him in his place.


-- all the best, Dan Ford

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You guys just slay me... THis TROLL throws out a baited hook and you
are all over it...

denny

"Denny" wrote in message
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You guys just slay me... THis TROLL throws out a baited hook and you
are all over it...

What are you talking about? What makes you think the question isn't sincere?

--Gary

Cub Driver opined

On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:38:54 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

. You're only required to
report what you remember.

That's an interesting take on the regulations. Where'd you get that from?

How could you possibly be required to report something you don't
remember?

Dan, we are talking about a governmant bureaucracy here.

On the other hand, how do you prove that someone has forgotten something?

-ash
Cthulhu in 2005!
Why wait for nature?